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Re: food for thought

PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:04 pm
by iamani

This follows the paperscissorrock post on p16.

We went from this:

L. A. W.

Land (= money = equity;)

Air (= interest = ecclesiastic;)

Water (= debt = law merchant;) this:

F. L. A. W.

Fire (= credit = martial/natural law;)

Land (= money = equity;)

Air (= interest = ecclesiastic;)

Water (= debt = law merchant;) this:

F. E. A. W.

Fire (= credit =  martial/natural law;)

Earth (= money = common-law;)

Air (= interest = ecclesiastic;)

Water (= debt = law merchant;)

Now, how do the elements relate/affect each other in interaction, and does that correspond with the obligations'/jurisdictions' interactions?

It would appear so:

Water controls fire as debt controls credit as law merchant controls martial law

Fire requires/consumes air as credit requires/consumes interest as martial law requires/consumes ecclesiastic

(Btw no air means no fire = no interest means no credit = no ecclesiastic means no martial law.)

Air surrounds earth as interest surrounds money as ecclesiastic surrounds common-law

Earth confines water as money confines debt as common-law confines law merchant

Fire expands water as credit expands debt as martial law expands law merchant

Water erodes/dissolves earth as debt erodes/dissolves money as law merchant erodes/dissolves common-law

Earth banks fire as money banks credit as common-law banks martial law

Water floats air as debt floats interest as law merchant floats ecclesiastic

Air straddles water as interest straddles debt as ecclesiastic straddles law merchant

Earth holds air as money holds interest as common-law holds ecclesiastic

Fire taints earth as credit taints money as martial law taints common-law

Air supports fire as interest supports credit as ecclesiastic supports martial law

(...please feel free to point out any inconsistencies/errors/omissions,  feedback appreciated.)

So that's four natural elements matched to four fiscal obligations matched to four fiction jurisdictions, and their various relationships  -  but what about 'status'? We know there is physical symbiosis between the elements, and a hierarchy of sorts, but is there hierarchy and/or evidence of (virtual) symbiosis between the obligations and jurisdictions?

Imo the hierarchy of the elements can be placed in order of which element one would least like to have pressed against one's skin for ten seconds...

Fire (ouch!)




...but seriously, in which order one puts earth, water and air may be a matter for debate but i'm sure no-one would argue that fire gets the most immediate respect and is top-dog.

(((Is its corresponding obligation top of its list ie does credit top money, interest and debt? Yes it does  -  although possibly by de facto.)))

Other than that,  a hierarchy for the fiscal obligations doesn't seem to exist.

Do the jurisdictions have a hierarchy?

(((Basically, when martial law is in town credit is the order of the de rigeur... because in times of war the other jurisdictions tend to play second fiddle. Also, say you have a million pounds and your house is burning down, would you prefer to have the physical money inside the house or as credits on a screen...?)))

The law imposed by superior force is naturally the ultimate Law ie might has right, therefore martial law is supreme Law. Put it this way: if someone points a gun at you  -  you gonna do what you is told! This form of law is the realm of kings (and usurpers  -  and it is no surprise/coincidence that 'usurpers' is only one letter removed to 'usurers'...),  under control of the Church.

There are four methods (one for each jurisdiction) of joining/binding two parties:

Under martial-law/natural-law it is by force

Under common-law it is by mutual agreement

Under ecclesiastic it is by covenant

Under law merchant it is by private international contract


Martial/natural law = supreme law = credit = evil

Common-law = agreement = money = good

Ecclesiastic = covenant = interest  = live

Law merchant = private-international-contract = debt = die


Fire = father and uncle = masculine/fiction = martial/natural law = supreme Law = duties = credit = will = (good and) evil = sol 

Earth = mother and aunt = physical/feminine = common-law = agreement = rights = money = flesh/bone = good (and evil) = sawol (old English/Saxon word for flesh-spirit or spirit-flesh)

Air = son and brother = fiction/masculine = ecclesiastic = covenant = benefits = interest = mind = live (forever) = soul

Water = daughter and sister = feminine/physical = law merchant = contract = privilege = debt = blood = (surely) die = sole

...there MUST be a game of Top Trumps in there somewhere!


Re: food for thought

PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:38 am
by iamani

74) Not all of life is love, but all of love is life.


Re: food for thought

PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:14 pm
by iamani

75) Life is all about what goes in and what comes out.


Re: food for thought

PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:05 am
by Freeman Stephen
iamani wrote:Greetings

74) Not all of life is love, but all of love is life.


“After Tao was lost, then came the 'power';
After the 'power' was lost, then came human kindness.”
After human kindness was lost, then came morality,
After morality was lost, then came ritual.
Now ritual is the mere husk of loyalty and promise-keeping
And is indeed the first step towards brawling.”

Re: food for thought

PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:58 pm
by iamani
Hi Freeman Stephen

Wise words are always welcome - and those are indeed wise words. Thanks for the contribution.


Re: food for thought

PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:27 am
by iamani

Feudalism is like Madonna - it never really goes away, it just changes its image...

As we sleepwalk into the latest incarnation of feudalism, the above link leads to a very informative look at the subject as it pertains to the birth registration system with some great research contributions from, in particular, two excellent researchers known as 'Waffle' and 'Candor'.

A year of years 'twixt veils of tears, as time draws near the reap of fears...

(938  -  ??? Possibly something to do with Otto I of Germany... or perhaps the Parsees/Pharisees entering India? )

1302  -  Unum Sanctum; man becomes: human-creature, a ward of 'Our Lord'.

1666  -  Cestui Que Vie Act; human becomes: person, a ward of our (CROWN) LORD-Ship.

2030  -  Agenda; human/person becomes: cyborg, ward of Microsoft.

For some reason it looks like the latest reset is starting ten years early - possibly a false dawn, a foreshadowing? A big old court case being hidden?

These certainly are most interesting times...


Re: food for thought

PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:07 am
by Freeman Stephen
Seems there was some kind of revelation about hidden feudalism in the mid 19th century. Communist manifesto:-

The history of all hitherto existing society † is the history of class struggles.
Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master ‡ and journeyman, in a
word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an
uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary
reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.
In the earlier epochs of history, we find almost everywhere a complicated arrangement of society
into various orders, a manifold gradation of social rank. In ancient Rome we have patricians,
knights, plebeians, slaves; in the Middle Ages, feudal lords, vassals, guild-masters, journeymen,
apprentices, serfs; in almost all of these classes, again, subordinate gradations.
The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done
away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression,
new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.

Re: food for thought

PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:48 pm
by iamani
Hi Freeman Stephen

A good example of how much T.H.E.Y. appreciate feudalism for sure.


Re: food for thought

PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:53 am
by iamani

Hi bot

No, it's just the way i walk...


Re: food for thought

PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:20 pm
by Freeman Stephen