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Tax Return

PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:04 am
by Dash
Hi guys,

I have received a tax return and have written response to this and I would appreciate any comment on it before I post it off to them.

The tax return states : This Notice requires you, by law, to make a return of your taxable income and capital gains, and any documents requested, for the year from 6 April 2008 to 5 April 2009. Dead lines - We must receive your tax return by either: 31 October 2009 if you are going to send us a paper return or 31st January 2010 if you are going to file online.
You will be charged a £100.00 penalty if your tax return is received after the appropriate deadline. If you pay late you will be charged interest and possibly a surcharge.

it is interesting that the deadlines are in a box so therefore not part of the document as with the four corner rule. Any how here is my response.

12th July 2009
HM Revenue & Customs Staffordshire area Old Hall Street Hanley Stoke-On-Trent [ST1 3BS]


Without prejudice to my inalienable rights
Notice of clarification
REF: xxxxxxxxxxxxx

To whom in may concern,
I am in receipt of a Notice from HM Revenue & Customs that requires me by law to make a return of my taxable income and capital gains.
It has come to my attention that I may not qualify to pay income tax; therefore I request that you clarify the following points.
• Who qualifies to pay income tax?
• What law relates to paying income tax?
In order that I may properly assess any eligibility to pay income tax, your response is required within twenty eight (28) days of the date of this notice. You will be charged £100 Penalty if your response is received after the appropriate deadline.
In sincerity and honor
by :Kerry: Jones
I reserve all of my rights and waive none of them
as God is my witness
care of xxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxx, Cheshire [xxx xxx]

I did try to get the name of somebody to write to but I cannot speak to anyone at the appropriate office, and nobody knows or is willing to give me a name.

Any thoughts :thinks:

Re: Tax Return

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:17 am
by zone
Ring em up and ask for the name and address of the CEO

Re: Tax Return

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:30 am
by MikeThomas
Nice one Dash! I love the £100 Penalty Charge :rotfl:

I've had one of these for the last 4 years and this January I thought "Sod 'em!" and did'nt bother to fill it in. In Febuary a £100 Penalty Charge dropped on the mat with an appeal form stating reasons they would and would not accept.

I totally ignored their reasons and wrote on the form that I'd asked them several times to stop sending these tax returns as I've been on benefits for 4 years. Two weeks later another letter and a statement saying I owed........£0:00.

Re: Tax Return

PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:22 pm
by Dash
Thanks for taking a look guys appreciate your comments. :hug:

I added the penalty charge in as that is what they put in there notice to me, as far as I’m concerned what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. :rotfl:

I am still trading but I don’t ever remember signing any contract with the tax man to say I’m happy to pay income tax. :giggle:

I will send it off recorded delivery tomorrow..... let the fun begin.

Re: Tax Return

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:11 pm
by Dash
Hi guys,

A bit of an update on my contact with HMRC.

28 days for my Notice of Clarification has passed with no responce so I have written a Final Notice.


This is what it says

On the 12th July 2009I sent a Notice of Clarification to HM Revnue & Customs, as it has come to my attention that I may not qualify to pay income tax. This Notice has not been responded to.

I now send a Final Demand

It has come to my attention that I may not qualify to pay income tax, therefore I demand that you clarify the following points

Who qualfies to pay income tax?
What law relates to paying income tax?

Your response in substance must be provided to me by 21st August 2009 (twenty first of August two thousand and nine).

This Final Demand requires you to respond in substance with in seven (7) days of this Demand.

Failure to respond to this Final Demand will put you in dishonour and will also be your tacit agreement by acquiescence that I have no lawful obligation to pay income tax.


I think my next step will be notice of dishonor then estoppel.

I was hoping they would respond to my Notice, I was looking forward to the list of people they think qualify to pay :rotfl: Also I am interested to find out what they want the people who do qualify to pay with ....... worthless IOU's.

Re: Tax Return

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:20 pm
by huntingross
Good luck with the response....they are ignoring me too....maybe they're short staffed, bless em.

Re: Tax Return

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:34 pm
by Dash
I will keep you guys up to date with any progress.

I think they just dont know how to reply to us.
One of my friends sent a notice to HMRC after receiving a tax bill and he accepted that he owed the money on proof of claim they could prove that he was the person and so on.

They wrote back at the end of the 28 days asking for 14 days more to allow them to respond in substance, then 10 days later wrote back to him and stated what he had asked was irrelivant and he still had to pay. That just goes to show they have no idea and it took them 38 days to come up with that one. :rotfl:

Re: Tax Return

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:41 pm
by huntingross
Is that like a day for each letter....26 to get through the alphabet....geeze, it's tough in the world of revenue....these guys must write letters with their lips moving and tongue hanging out the side of their mouth

Re: Tax Return

PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:50 pm
by Dash
They will learn one day I guess :8-):

Re: Tax Return

PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:17 am
by Dash
Hi Guys,

The Final Demand seamed to have got their attention, my response from the tax man below.

Dear Miss xxxxx

Thank you for your letter dated 14 July 2009. I apologise for the delay in replying.

I have now also received your further letter dated 14 August 2009.

Generally any individual whose income exceeds the Personal Allowance, currently £6475, is required to pay Income Tax.

Any person issued with a return is required by Section 8 of the Taxes Management Act 1970 Part II to complete it to establish the amount of tax chargeable, if any.

Payment of tax is required under Section 59A Taxes Management Act 1970.

Further information can be found on our website at www.hmrc.gov.uk.

Please remember that if you want to send your 2009 Self Assessment Tax Return on paper, the deadline is 31 October 2009. If you choose to do it online, you have until 31 January 2010.

Your Sincerely


I as of yet have not summoned the energy to write my response, I will read through the Taxes Management Act 1970 although it clearly does not apply to me and will post my reply before I send it off to them.

My initial thought are to tell them it is my understanding that their act does not apply to me as I am a human and not a person, ask them what they would like to be paid with anyway as their money has no value. Any other suggestions are welcomed.