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Does Baptism confer anything to the church ?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:39 pm
by Freeman On The Land Ben
Hi :grin:

If a birth certificate gives or sells us to the united kingdom commercial corporation does baptism give any rights or a "share" of our persons / selves to the or a church ?.


When we consider the differences between religions and with respect to anyone who may be religious is there a commercial church corporation ? where does god or any god come into this from the commercial angle ? i must say im not one bit religious myself though after reading Veronicas post on the possibility of the " church owns all names ?" i now quite interested to know where all this goes.

Just anothor thought, What do we read on banknotes ? "In god we trust"?

Re: Does Baptism confer anything to the church ?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:25 pm
by Dipsy
This goes back to religions and what they really are. Remember now historically the church was formed by the elite over thousands of years and used to be the richest establishments in the world. They are one big cash collection pot under the guise of a charity and tax free status so they are right up there with the top of the corruption. Religions have a lot to answer for they are supposed to keep us all guided and live a squeaky clean life yet religions have created more wars and more deaths then anything else throughout humanity.

The truth is obvious is you don't need a church or a "religion" to be one with god. You only need to be yourself and tuned in to your maker and that is free of charge. Religions are very close to acts of parliament they both have books bibles and ACTS and bylaws. You can chose if you want to live by a set of ACTS in scriptures or not. Religion and laws are highly integrated which is why before birth certificates people used to record births and deaths in the family bible.

But God gave us all a very basic understanding of right and wrong. Cause NO harm to others is rule number one. If everyone just obeyed just that one basic law then the world would be so very different. Anyway people have a right to believe in whatever they want. If you want to worship the Sun or the moon or the devil..well thats up to you:)

"In god we trust"
Be careful with that phrase as used in America its not the same God its the fictional god like a strawman. They even have that copyrighted and its a registered trade mark:)

Re: Does Baptism confer anything to the church ?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:27 am
by Freeman On The Land Ben
Hello Dipsy and thank-you for your reply : :grin:

I used to sing the hyms in assembly looking around me in the large dinnerhall up at the large symbal shaped lightshades which seem not to match the more recent fixings of the hall at eye level, thier would be times i would think about the words i was so very faint heartedly singing which were absolutely drowned out by everyone else around me or deiiberately miming because i really didnt know the words, when i did think about the words it was scary to me because it was repeatedly singing praises to him and how i loved him and my soul belonged to him i had and have no such feelings, i had no such feelings of love, i loved my 6p cadbury;s creme eggs if they count ? i loved the feeling of relief when the bell went at hometime, i think like most i saw religion as one of the "not real" things in life as opposed to the real things in life like food, like tele, like buster, like whizzer and chips, like playing on the wasteground and jumping into the deep craters with my mates and we peeked over the edge, i loved my mum! and still do xx, i was ever so impressed when i overheard mum call these craters bomb craters because it had not occured to me thats what they were, singing about my love for a god had no meaning to me whatsoever. why was i / we being force fed such stuff ? as i ahve read here and agree with to me it was indoctrination!.

Re: Does Baptism confer anything to the church ?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:38 am
by emmanualgoldstein
Hand over your babies to the mercy off someone who can drown them but will likely show them mercy. Ive got a lot of respect for religious beleifs but some of the ceremonies are outright barbaric and detract from the message they are promoting that people accept. You know when your asking the right questions when they start telling you "thats all part of the mystery my child" which is churchy way of saying "I havent got a fucking scooby", but priests and vicars and reverands cant talk that way so instead they say "thats all part of the mystery my child". So a good response is, "wait a minute, arent you supposed to be celebate or at least not shagging my mother behind my dads back, and besides just because you didnt drown me when you had the chance, doesnt mean to say Im not still pissed off at you for dunking me in the first place! You bastard, Im telling jesus on you!"

Re: Does Baptism confer anything to the church ?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:48 am
by Freeman On The Land Ben
Hello Emmanual

When my father died, my distrought mother asked me could i got to the church and ask the preist for a mass card, i walked across the park to the church and knocked the door, i did so several times then went to the window where a very tall and large man could be seen silloetted standing in the room, "someone somewhere" told me "he wont answer we told him not to". i had to go home to my Mother without mass card for my Father. great compassion, real understanding shown! i hope my post wont spook anyone the technology employed is called hypersonics or ultrasonics or similar.

Re: Does Baptism confer anything to the church ?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:53 am
by emmanualgoldstein
It would appear that technology has been around from ancient times then because people from all over the world from all times in history have reported similar experiences to what you did.

Re: Does Baptism confer anything to the church ?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:29 am
by Freeman On The Land Ben
Thank-you Emmanual

Your honesty is the most refreshing experience and knowing how a stone wall of silence can fall so quickly for years on end its the most fantastic reply outside of a ti forum i have ever gotton, :shake: :yes: :grin:

Re: Does Baptism confer anything to the church ?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:09 am
by Freeman On The Land Ben
Frankly what it boils down to is it dosent really matter how the church or government and the rest took everything away from people to keep wealth and power to themselves, what made it possible was brute force. we can all look at whats going on in the world it dosent take much to see the atrocities being committed under the banner of "its in our own interests". they get away with it because most people wont say or do anything and they have long known this. They wont change but they have long been looking for solutions and mind corntrol and physical enslavement of the population through sattelite based technologies is how they have decided to do it. perhaps hope can be taken from the fact the swine flu hoax backfired on them, they wanted everyone to get vaccinated though only a small percentage did. ? this reflected just how much they rely on "their" media to broadcast their mis-information and may well reflect they are still a long long way from achieving their aims.

Re: Does Baptism confer anything to the church ?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:58 pm
by beaky
Baptism in the bible involves splashing or dipping the person and saying "I baptise you in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Spirit". The bible also says that anything more than that comes from the evil one.

What the christendom churches have done is park baptism in infancy so that it becomes no more than a naming ceremony, and then impose "confirmation" on adults as a commitment ceremony.

Read the small print and you see a bait and switch scam going on: the "confirmed" person has to pledge allegiance to the church authorities before being allowed to carry out the commands of Jesus. Thats what "confirmation" really involves, and it is forbidden by the bible as it is an "added", which "comes from the evil one".
Thats why the christendom churches are considered to be an alliance between church and state, since after all the head of the Church of England is the reigning sovereign, and of the Catholics the Pope.

The Anabaptists claim that infant christendom baptism is no baptism and confirmation is illegal, so they rebaptize people as adults. But they then make the same error by elaborating baptism, such that the baptised person has to pledge allegiance to the Anabaptist church that they are joining, which again is illegal according to the bible....

In such manner the christian church has been fragmented into 10,000 grubby little fiefdoms... (yuk!)

Beaky