Baby Born Free set to cross international borders

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Re: Baby Born Free set to cross international borders

Postby The Freeman-on-the-Land known as Michael » Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:26 pm

strawmansarah wrote:
musashi wrote:Is it my crooked thinking, or does getting one of their passports not take you into their fold?


Take a look at the printed page in the passport, where the 'photo would go (not sure if you need a 'photo for a baby) Does it say "Nationality: BRITISH CITIZEN"? If so, you've signed that little'un up to the state!
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THEIR rules apply to the travelling etc, therefore I really truly believe she is one of theirs now, in the same way as if you'd given her a birth cert... :puzz:

It's not just the parents of a child who can 'inform' on a birth. ANY Person present/aware of the birth can do so IF it happened in a state facility or with ANY state intervention.


With all due respect Sarah, if you were right there would be evidence supporting your opinion, and having serached for the best part of a year, I have been unable to find any. If you are able to find some, then please post it, as opposed to your own opinion backed up by Musahi's, which does not make it so. And for your information, the Home Office has confirmed in writing that no other individual present at the birth has become the "informant" for the purpose of a birth certificate application.

If you understood exactly what a passport is, then you would not still be lumbering under the total misaprehension that a passport application makes our daughter "one of theirs now". A British passport is nothing more that a security agreement on loan from the Queen allowing the holder to cross international borders. The evidence in support of this can be found on the passport itself. There is no statute prescribing any terms in relation thereto; it has merely become common practice for the want of an alternative arrangement for international travel.

Does the state attempt to force parents into registering the birth of their children? We all know that the answer is yes, every time.

Does the state attempt to force parents to apply for a passport for the children? Never.

May I humble suggest that you refrain from casting aspersions upon the successes of others without carrying out the due diligence to make sure that your opposing position is supported by the facts, rather than hearsay. Otherwise, you will succeed in doing nothing except leading others down blind alleys.

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Re: Baby Born Free set to cross international borders

Postby thepowerofnow » Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:06 pm

The Freeman-on-the-Land known as Michael wrote:And for your information, the Home Office has confirmed in writing that no other individual present at the birth has become the "informant" for the purpose of a birth certificate application


Thanks Michael for doing the research you have and sharing it here.

With regards your statement above, do you mean no other person besides the biological parents has ever in any case of the birth in the UK, registered the birth of a baby, creating a birth certificate, regardless of where the baby was born??

Please elaborate as much as possible on the factual knowledge that you have attained

Thanks a million
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Re: Baby Born Free set to cross international borders

Postby strawmansarah » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:34 pm

Check the name(s) of this government organisation...

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
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Re: Baby Born Free set to cross international borders

Postby strawmansarah » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:40 pm

December, 2003


STANDARD CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH (FORM R-101)
POLICY AND PROCEDURE FOR CERTIFICATES
PREPARED AT A HOSPITAL OR BIRTH CENTER


INFORMANT SIGNATURE



STATUTORY AUTHORITY:

"Chapter 46: Section 3A. Hospital administrator's duties; report; verification.
Section 3A.... Such copies shall be signed or otherwise verified by the mother in a manner developed pursuant to regulations promulgated pursuant to section 4 of chapter 17, or, if she is not able, then by the father or other responsible adult, attesting to the truth and accuracy of the facts appearing in the report. Such copies shall also be signed or otherwise verified, in a manner specified under regulations promulgated pursuant to section 4 of chapter 17, by the physician, certified nurse midwife or hospital medical officer in charge of such birth or by an administrator designated by the hospital as overseeing birth registration."


POLICY IN BRIEF
Whenever possible, the Standard Certificate of Live Birth should be fully completed at the hospital or birthing center. Birth records should rarely be left pending for the sole reason of a missing informant signature. In many cases, a registered record can be amended to correct true errors; but, if left unregistered, the record may become a "Delayed Record of Birth" causing the newborn lifetime problems with his or her birth certificate.

In most cases, the mother is the person who will be available to verify the record.

Informants should be provided with a ball-point black ink pen and instructed to bear down so that all three copies of the birth certificate show a visible signature.

Use of the RVRS-provided "Parent Worksheet for Birth Certificates" is encouraged as it provides evidence of parent information for non-parental informants.
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Re: Baby Born Free set to cross international borders

Postby Farmer » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:28 pm

Not getting your child registered by others is easy, you just don't tell them the name you intend to give the child.
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Re: Baby Born Free set to cross international borders

Postby thepowerofnow » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:51 pm

I think the only way we can learn here is to hear from those who have been brave enough to not register their child, and see what happens in the days/weeks/months/years that follow.

We also need humane social worker or social services staff or police whistle blowers to come forward and clarify the way they act. Inparticular, we have john harris saying SS staff/SW's have told them they need the birth certificate, while someones unhelpful SW acquaintance is saying there are other ways to do it.

I cannot see any social worker trying to instigate proceedings against Tony Soprano. He would not take it.
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Re: Baby Born Free set to cross international borders

Postby The Freeman-on-the-Land known as Michael » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:45 pm

thepowerofnow wrote:
The Freeman-on-the-Land known as Michael wrote:And for your information, the Home Office has confirmed in writing that no other individual present at the birth has become the "informant" for the purpose of a birth certificate application.


Thanks Michael for doing the research you have and sharing it here.

With regards your statement above, do you mean no other person besides the biological parents has ever in any case of the birth in the UK, registered the birth of a baby, creating a birth certificate, regardless of where the baby was born??

Please elaborate as much as possible on the factual knowledge that you have attained

Thanks a million
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In answer to you question, an extract from the notice dated 17 September 2010:

Following receipt of your letter dated 25/08/2010, in relation to the issue of a passport for DAUGHTER’S STRAWMAN; for and on behalf of MOTHER’S STRAWMAN, as requested, please find enclosed the following documents:

a. Letter dated 04/06/2010 from the partners of LOCAL SURGERY, with regard to our daughter’s six week development check, which was subsequently done by FAMILY DOCTOR at the address below.
b. Letter from the General Register Office dated 21 July 2010, clearly stating that our daughter’s birth has not been registered.

Since this presentment would seem to meet the requirements outlined in your letter of the 25th of August, we look forward to receiving our daughter’s passport within seven (7) days of your receipt of this notice, as it our intention to travel abroad shortly after that date.


The letter from the GRO [in italics] confirmed that no other individual registered the birth of our daughter. Once again, with all due respect, please pay more attention to detail before posting questions that can be answered very easily by reading my previous posts. Which is also my response to the last two posts of strawmansarah below, who now seems to be implying that I was not aware that any witness to the birth can apply for a Birth Certificate, begging an obvious rhetorical question: how could we have overcome the aggressive attempts by the Home Office to frighten us into birth registration if we hadn't researched government policy and procedure?

strawmansarah wrote:Check the name(s) of this government organisation...

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/


strawmansarah wrote:December, 2003

STANDARD CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH (FORM R-101)
POLICY AND PROCEDURE FOR CERTIFICATES
PREPARED AT A HOSPITAL OR BIRTH CENTER


INFORMANT SIGNATURE



STATUTORY AUTHORITY:

"Chapter 46: Section 3A. Hospital administrator's duties; report; verification.
Section 3A.... Such copies shall be signed or otherwise verified by the mother in a manner developed pursuant to regulations promulgated pursuant to section 4 of chapter 17, or, if she is not able, then by the father or other responsible adult, attesting to the truth and accuracy of the facts appearing in the report. Such copies shall also be signed or otherwise verified, in a manner specified under regulations promulgated pursuant to section 4 of chapter 17, by the physician, certified nurse midwife or hospital medical officer in charge of such birth or by an administrator designated by the hospital as overseeing birth registration."


POLICY IN BRIEF
Whenever possible, the Standard Certificate of Live Birth should be fully completed at the hospital or birthing center. Birth records should rarely be left pending for the sole reason of a missing informant signature. In many cases, a registered record can be amended to correct true errors; but, if left unregistered, the record may become a "Delayed Record of Birth" causing the newborn lifetime problems with his or her birth certificate.

In most cases, the mother is the person who will be available to verify the record.

Informants should be provided with a ball-point black ink pen and instructed to bear down so that all three copies of the birth certificate show a visible signature.

Use of the RVRS-provided "Parent Worksheet for Birth Certificates" is encouraged as it provides evidence of parent information for non-parental informants.


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Re: Baby Born Free set to cross international borders

Postby strawmansarah » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:15 pm

for someone declaring unconditional peace etc you have a right nasty way with words and 'assumptions' you know...
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Re: Baby Born Free set to cross international borders

Postby enegiss » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:30 pm

it appears you also have a bit of a disposition as regards assumptions sarah, which you shared with the world by calling me a thief without any proof, hardly subtle dear and certainly a way with words, as i recall :wink: peace and light
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Re: Baby Born Free set to cross international borders

Postby woodman » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:49 pm

Hey boys and girls, can we save the personal comments for PM's or Emails please, it's best to just make comments that are relevant to the topic :wink:

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