d.w.p debt managment

d.w.p debt managment

Postby pitano1 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:25 am

hi all.
bit of a long story which goes back to 2009.
the short version.

the d..w.p alledge overpayment,any proof they `may` of had,has been destroyed.
by the fraud squad.
i have never been shown any proof of this allegation.

both my wife,and myself were paid through a joint claim,and were having
£10.0.0 per week stolen.
but`as soon as i started to collect my state pension,they have raised this
to £32.0.0 per week.

a third of what i`m supposed te receive.

so far i have been given the complete corporate run around,both by the
fraud squad,and the d.w.p.

ie.sending letters/forms`with no names on them,and expecting me to
fill them in,and send them to an unknown entity.

i did mention the data protection act.and was told.`you must fill in the form
so that WE,can decide how much of YOUR benefit to steal.

here is a strange fact,each time i contact them,and they reply
the amount goes down.ie,the first allegation was £2.600 the next
was for£1.500
the most recent is£435...w.t..f is going on.
because by our reckoning they have stolen roughly
£700.

so thats the short version.
heres the question.

the letter heading
D.W.P.
DEBT MANAGEMENT.
BLA..BLA BLA.
ADDRESS.
in their latest letter,they have put a statement of finance form.
i have no intention of filling this in as i suffer from formophobia. :D[ its catching stan. :giggle: ]

any thoughts on what should accompany the blank form.

as i have not ask these arsholes to manage my debt.`so called`
surely they must be a third party interloper,in MY financial affairs.

any thoughts.
heres my first rough outline.




name
my address
near[postcode]




to whom it may concern..
i`m in reciept of your letter dated..[18.1.2013]
please note,that i dispute the alleged debt,and it is my wish that all
deductions are suspended untill this matter can be settled according to
law.

i note that your letter has no signature-please resend another with a
wet signature.
allso as you are managing this debt,and making demands on my financial
assets,please forward your accounting regarding this matter.
together with any proof of your claim.

allso,as your letter clearly identifies ME as the holder of the account
ss.number
making me the sole beneficiary/executor,please assure me that the d.w.p
debt managment is not acting in a fraudulent manner.
as i have not to my knowledge given you permisison. to make any
deductions on my estate-ab-initio

if by chance their is something i have contracted to unknowingly` you
have notice that i hereby rescind it.`

please take note`.
YOU HAVE 7`SEVEN DAYS to reply to this notice.
failure to comply with these reasonable requests will only prompt
me to ask the same questions,but to a higher servant.
without vexation,frivolity,or mallice.
christopher xxxxxx
sole beneficiary/executor of`ss. number,and
agent for.MR. CHRISTOPHER xxxxxx
ss. number
ALL UNALIENABLE RIGHT RESERVED.
by.christopher xxxxxx

please feel free to edit. :shake:
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Re: d.w.p debt managment

Postby treeman » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:24 pm

Theft Act 1968
False accounting (1) Where a person dishonestly, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another.—
(a) destroys, defaces, conceals or falsifies any account or any record or document made or required for any accounting purpose; or
(b)in furnishing information for any purpose produces or makes use of any account, or any such record or document as aforesaid, which to his knowledge is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular;
he shall, on conviction on indictment, be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years.
(2) For purposes of this section a person who makes or concurs in making in an account or other document an entry which is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular, or who omits or concurs in omitting a material particular from an account or other document, is to be treated as falsifying the account or document.

Where a person dishonestly with a view to gain for himself (a) destroys, defaces, conceals or falsifies any account or any record or document made or required for any accounting purposes. :thinks:
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Re: d.w.p debt managment

Postby squark » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:36 pm

as i have not ask these arsholes to manage my debt.`so called`
surely they must be a third party interloper,in MY financial affairs.

any thoughts.

Revoke power of attorney.!?
You can request a print out of all the data they hold on you, so you could do you own audit of them.
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Re: d.w.p debt managment

Postby pitano1 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:46 pm

many thanks for replies.

yes it does seem as if,some entity,has put themselves in the position
of executor`de-son tort`not sure of correct spell. :mrgreen:
or power of attorney.
.........................................................................................
but i feel this is the achilies heel,as it goes straight to the foundation
of the matter.
ie the fraud squad destroyed the evidence`so called`..load of bollix.

Theft Act 1968
False accounting (1) Where a person dishonestly, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another.—
(a) destroys, defaces, conceals or falsifies any account or any record or document made or required for any accounting purpose; or
(b)in furnishing information for any purpose produces or makes use of any account, or any such record or document as aforesaid, which to his knowledge is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular.

i`m not in any great rush at the moment,waiting for printer ink

so i`m going to educate them on WHO creates the credit/benefit.. :giggle:

ps.
i phoned them today. :giggle:
informed them about the unsigned letter,and said i need a name,so that i can
reply,as i have no intention of filling in the form,as it is not fit for purpose.

the young lady said you will have to send it to the address at the top of your
letter.

so i asked her if this address is capable of answering any questions.?
and it was all downhill from their.

towards the end of this pythonesque conversation i asked for the name
of the organ grinder,and she gave it to me.

step one...success.

will post final draft when completed.

these thieves need putting in their place lawfully.

comments/suggestions wellcome. :shake:
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Re: d.w.p debt managment

Postby treeman » Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:30 pm

pitano1 wrote:Theft Act 1968
False accounting (1) Where a person dishonestly, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another.—
(a) destroys, defaces, conceals or falsifies any account or any record or document made or required for any accounting purpose; or
(b)in furnishing information for any purpose produces or makes use of any account, or any such record or document as aforesaid, which to his knowledge is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular.

i`m not in any great rush at the moment,waiting for printer ink

so i`m going to educate them on WHO creates the credit/benefit.. :


Might have jumped the gun their, too much statute time :yes: :peace:
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Re: d.w.p debt managment

Postby holy vehm » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:31 pm

Tax man made a claim against me by post, i returned said claim saying prove it and stick me in court.

Not heard anything for well over a year.

it was a spurious claim, that at some point in time may have had merit, but certainly not now, hence why they have moved on to some other poor fucker. Trying it on, works with some, doesn't with others.

In your case i would take them to court, they are stealing from you, the police are little or no comfort at all, leaving you with little choice but to head these thieves off. It wont even get to court mate, they know that they need to prove their claim with substance, that no longer exists, so its a spurious claim but as they can access your funds you are guilty without trial nor evidence, this just isnt proper procedure.

Its about 50 quid i think to start a claim thru court, draw up your statement of truth and have done with these fools.

Lawfully, you would have excuse to steal from them the sum they have stole from you plus costs, but being honest characters we will not do that (yet)
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Re: d.w.p debt managment

Postby pitano1 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:37 am

agreed hv.
i will have to see what my agreement to pay,upon
their assurance/proof of the following produces.

will go into more detail of [the follwing. :grin: when completed]
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Re: d.w.p debt managment

Postby frogmanbrabs » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:36 pm

I'm havin shit with them over a court fine they are deducting which is in dispute with the court.The court have failed to contact me and gone straight to the DWP who have deducted the money without consulting me. I just sent this to them today.

Dear Alan Harborne

I received a letter from you dated 22nd January ref: 1234 regarding a weekly deduction of £5 from my JSA.
I feel I need to draw your attention to a couple of points mentioned in the letter.

Firstly you stated "We do not have to consult with you before commencing deductions"

I would draw your attention to the Third Party Payments Creditors Handbook which states:-

Third Party Deduction (TPD) teams are located in DWP Benefit Delivery Centres and Pension Centres. They are responsible for:
Agreeing to Third Party Deductions with the creditor and customer .

I believe I am the customer and therefore you Do have to consult with me.

Secondly you stated "One of the items we have to take into account is how you are going to dischrage your obligation to Her Majesty's Courts and Tribunals Service to meet the cost of the fine"

I would point out that my "obligation" as you stated is to Her Majesty's Courts and Tribunals Service and not the DWP and therefore you are a third party in this matter who have become involved in a dispute which does not concern you. How I manage my financial affairs is of no concern of the DWP unless it affects them directly.

However you have decided to continue with this unlawful deduction and therefore as this is a third party deduction I would like to
draw your attention to The Third Party Payments Creditors Handbook.

In the Introduction of the Handbook it clearly states :-

" Third Party Deductions will only be made when it is considered
(and agreed) to be in the best interest of the customer or the
customer's family".

Could you please explain to me when I agreed to this deduction?


Finally the handbook goes on to state that :-

"The Third Party Deductions Scheme should only be used when all other avenues of recovery have been exhausted".

As the court have made no attempt to contact me to discuss this payment I find it hard to believe that all avenues of recovery have been exhausted could you explain this to me?

I received a letter which clearly states that the amount the "law" says I need to live on each week is £71, and therefore by paying anything less would be breaking the "law".
On the previous occasions when I have written to you regarding this matter namely October 2011 and April 2012 you have done the right thing and stopped the payments, so what makes this occasion any different?

Failure to return ALL monies deducted within 28 days of the date of this letter will result in further action being taken against the individual(s) responsible for sanctioning these payments.


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Re: d.w.p debt managment

Postby musashi » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:55 am

For those who haven't got it I attach a copy of the CREDITOR HANDBOOK.

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