P.Dawson Arrested

Re: P.Dawson Arrested

Postby treeman » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:32 pm

For pushing a bailiff out of his property, three goon policy orafices in attendance.
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Re: P.Dawson Arrested

Postby musashi » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:44 pm

treeman wrote:For pushing a bailiff out of his property, three goon policy orafices in attendance.


Should not be problem, then.

A debtor can remove right of implied access by displaying a notice at the entrance. This was endorsed by Lord Justice Donaldson in the case of Lambert v Roberts [1981] 72 Cr App R 223 - and placing such a notice is akin to a closed door but it also prevents a bailiff entering the garden or driveway, Knox v Anderton [1983] Crim LR 115 or R. v Leroy Roberts [2003] EWCA Crim 2753



Debtors can also remove implied right of access to property by telling him to leave: Davis v Lisle [1936] 2 KB 434 similarly, McArdle v Wallace [1964] 108 Sol Jo 483

A person having been told to leave is now under a duty to withdraw from the property with all due reasonable speed and failure to do so he is not thereafter acting in the execution of his duty and becomes a trespasser with any subsequent levy made being invalid and attracts a liability under a claim for damages, Morris v Beardmore [1980] 71 Cr App 256.

Bailiffs cannot force their way into a private dwelling, Grove v Eastern Gas [1952] 1 KB 77

Otherwise a door left open is an implied license for a bailiff to enter, Faulkner v Willetts [1982] Crim LR 453 likewise a person standing back to allow the bailiff to walk through but the bailiff must not abuse this license by entering by improper means or by unusual routes, Ancaster v Milling [1823] 2 D&R 714 or Rogers v Spence [1846] M&W 571

Ringing a doorbell is not causing a disturbance, Grant v Moser [1843] 5 M&G 123 or R. v Bright 4 C&P 387 nor is refusing to leave a property causes a disturbance, Green v Bartram [1830] 4 C&P 308 or Jordan v Gibbon [1863] 8 LT 391

Permission for a bailiff to enter may be refused provided the words used are not capable of being mistaken for swear words, Bailey v Wilson [1968] Crim LR 618.

If the entry is peaceful but without permission then a request to leave should always be made first. Tullay v Reed [1823] 1 C&P 6 or an employee or other person can also request the bailiff to leave, Hall v Davis [1825] 2 C&P 33

Excessive force must be avoided, Gregory v Hall [1799] 8 TR 299 or Oakes v Wood [1837] 2 M&W 791

A debtor can use an equal amount of force to resist a bailiff from gaining entry, Weaver v Bush [1795] 8TR, Simpson v Morris [1813] 4 Taunt 821, Polkinhorne v Wright [1845] 8QB 197. Another occupier of the premises or an employee may also take these steps: Hall v Davis [1825] 2 C&P 33.

Also wrongful would be an attempt at forcible entry despite resistance, Ingle v Bell [1836] 1 M&W 516

Bailiffs cannot apply force to a door to gain entry, and if he does so he is not in the execution of his duty, Broughton v Wilkerson [1880] 44 JP 781

A Bailiff may not encourage a third party to allow the bailiff access to a property (ie workmen inside a house), access by this means renders the entry unlawful, Nash v Lucas [1867] 2 QB 590

The debtor's home and all buildings within the boundary of the premises are protected against forced entry, Munroe & Munroe v Woodspring District Council [1979] Weston-Super-Mare County Court

Contrast: A bailiff may climb over a wall or a fence or walk across a garden or yard provided that no damage occurs, Long v Clarke & another [1894] 1 QB 119

It is not contempt to assault a bailiff trying to climb over a locked gate after being refused entry, Lewis v Owen [1893] The Times November 6 p.36b (QBD)

If a bailiff enters by force he is there unlawfully and you can treat him as a trespasser. Curlewis v Laurie [1848] or Vaughan v McKenzie [1969] 1 QB 557

A debtor cannot be sued if a person enters a property uninvited and injures himself because he had no legal right to enter, Great Central Railway Co v Bates [1921] 3 KB 578

If a bailiff jams his boot into a debtors door to stop him closing, any levy that is subsequently made is not valid: Rai & Rai v Birmingham City Council [1993] or Vaughan v McKenzie [1969] 1 QB 557 or Broughton v Wilkerson [1880] 44 JP 781

If a bailiff refuses to leave the property after being requested to do so or starts trying to force entry then he is causing a disturbance, Howell v Jackson [1834] 6 C&P 723 - but it is unreasonable for a police officer to arrest the bailiff unless he makes a threat, Bibby v Constable of Essex [2000] Court of Appeal April 2000.

Vaughan v McKenzie [1969] 1 QB 557 if the debtor strikes the bailiff over the head with a full milk bottle after making a forced entry, the debtor is not guilty of assault because the bailiff was there illegally, likewise R. v Tucker at Hove Trial Centre Crown Court, December 2012 if the debtor gives the bailiff a good slap.

If a person strikes a trespasser who has refused to leave is not guilty of an offence: Davis v Lisle [1936] 2 KB 434

License to enter must be refused BEFORE the process of levy starts, Kay v Hibbert [1977] Crim LR 226 or Matthews v Dwan [1949] NZLR 1037

A bailiff rendered a trespasser is liable for penalties in tort and the entry may be in breach of Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights if entry is not made in accordance with the law, Jokinen v Finland [2009] 37233/07

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Re: P.Dawson Arrested

Postby treeman » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:52 pm

Paratrooper protocol may have taken precedent.

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Re: P.Dawson Arrested

Postby treeman » Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:51 pm

He is OK but will not comply. alledgedly :giggle:
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Re: P.Dawson Arrested

Postby musashi » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:01 pm

Just been told by Tony Freedom that the rev's wife was threatened with arrest by the cops, for obstruction, if she did not pay the bailiff. Apparently she paid.
She will, if this be true, almost certainly have a damn good case for conversion (by extortion) against the cops. If this is the civil matter it appears to be, then they were not in the execution of their duty but acting as mere private individuals.
More paperwork fun, eh?

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Re: P.Dawson Arrested

Postby pitano1 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:41 pm

the tar baby...rises,and casts about a beady...eye.. :grin:

vicarious liability..stirs,and flexes its wings.

another fine example of the policy officers,enforcing....policy.

the without...laws,strike again.
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Re: P.Dawson Arrested

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Re: P.Dawson Arrested

Postby huntingross » Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:46 pm

There's never a full bottle of milk when you need one...but at least he got a slap...Yeah !
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Re: P.Dawson Arrested

Postby MikeThomas » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:34 am

This sounds serious! You know what Plod are like when it comes to applying bogus charges. All hands on deck methinks :peace:
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Re: P.Dawson Arrested

Postby pitano1 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:30 am

have just spoken to phils partner.

phil,is being held..WITHOUT CHARGE...for 72...hours,at huddersfield nick.

she said phil,is in good spirits,and does not seem intimidated,by this situation. :grin:
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