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UCC-1

Postby sanchez » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:16 am

Is playing the UCC-1 card ultimately saying that you agree to the "monetary system" when in fact humans with brains know that money in its current form or any form does not exist! Money is "with interest", "interest" is not in anyones' interest!

Based upon this, should a freeman be concerned with being free of money (in every sense) and the UCC-1 etc. as it is money, that is bound like a rock, to the would-be-freeman's leg already. Without this "rock" of money the freeman would swim far better.

In conclusion, the question is: Should the freeman do away with all ideas that may support the idea of "conventional money" and ideas of UCC-1 however attainable or fanciful they are with the goal of true lawful rebellion being the ideal, aim or goal at hand! In doing so, would this be a true freeman-on-the-land?

I very much look forward to all of your replies....... :shake:
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Re: UCC-1

Postby huntingross » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:19 pm

It's a good point sanchez

Thoughts on how to bring the system down though ?

Money nearly brought the system down....until they magically propped it up with more of the stuff they didn't have.....so to cover that little mystery up....make us pay for it in reposessions and unemployment.

If I can bring just one of their companies down with money....I'll sleep better.

I know they fear money....maybe then they'll fear us
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Re: UCC-1

Postby gepisar » Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:47 pm

A UCC is a financing statement. UCC is playing the game!

From what I gather, we can be free by being FMOTL -> money being a fiction, is obviously an no no!

The alternative is play the game BETTER than those for whom is was created. You become a "super" player in the world of commerce. This isnt FMOTL. You're just doing back to those who would do you, but better.

Freedom is a strange concept: ask 100 people what freedom means! You could even ask freedom from what?

If the answer suits your requirement to play the money game at a higher level, well, thats up to you.

Some people go half way -> They set themselves up as freemen as creditors to their strawman who they have act as instructed by themselves, the agent.

Interestingly, Im in a position where I need to hire a van. And without a credit card, this is proving difficult... I know there are solutions, but it certainly doesnt make me feel free...
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Re: UCC-1

Postby sanchez » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:52 am

Many, many thanks for your replies!

To finely disect both points you raise it must be done on a point by point basis. So here we go! The response to the points raised shall be in a colour that is not black!

gepisar wrote:A UCC is a financing statement. UCC is playing the game! Yes most definitely! UCC is playing the game and if someone is playing someone else's game the player whose game it is not must realise that the "PERSON" who owns the game can merely pack up and walk away. When they return they may have restructured the game to make the playing field not as level as before. This is called releasing a new version of the game at the owners behest! It is not for the good of anyone who now wishes to play the old game as it now outdated and without meaning in the new world. Playstation 1 becomes 2 and then 3. All that will happen is that if one becomes good at PS1, then PS2 and 3 are then released to ensure that no-one effectively wins that particular game. The game just continues under another guise. People think they are playing a different game, when in reality they were playing the same game all along. What they thought didn't matter, they only thought what they thought mattered. Perception is another relative of the mother of all fuck ups!

From what I gather, we can be free by being FMOTL Yes indeed! If you know you are free, you are free-> money being a fiction, is obviously an no no! This is the key, money is the key. It is a want rather than a need in it's most essential form but in this present day and age it is a need rather than a want. People need to comprehend that money and its various bed fellows of oneupmanship and greed are the root of division and conquer.

The alternative is play the game BETTER than those for whom is was created This cannot be done as it is not your game. We have just talked about "money" being fiction, how could someone do something BETTER with nothing than another human who also does something with nothing. Anyone can multiply nothing with huge amounts of something and still come out with nothing.. You become a "super" player in the world of commerce This is insane. The world of commerce based upon "money" is as we know worth NOTHING. Again you maybe a super player of nothing but you will still have nothing which is the same as the minor league player of nothing who still has nothing. This isnt FMOTL. You're just doing back to those who would do you, but better. The idea proposed here has an act of oneupmanship. You are still using nothing as a tool to beat nothing.

Freedom is a strange concept: ask 100 people what freedom means! You could even ask freedom from what? common law freedom.

If the answer suits your requirement to play the money game at a higher level, well, thats up to you. And fail if someone arbitrarily decides your chips need to become worthless or compulsory purchase your land for nowhere near its market value (all of which has happened.

Some people go half way -> They set themselves up as freemen as creditors to their strawman who they have act as instructed by themselves, the agent.Then they are not free as they are still in the game! They only think they are free. Please look back at the idea of presumption.

Interestingly, Im in a position where I need to hire a van. And without a credit card, this is proving difficult... I know there are solutions, but it certainly doesnt make me feel free...
There you go! You are still in their world. Being there will pose you difficulties as you are now experiencing because you NEED the nothing (credit card). As long as you need nothing you will continue never finding it.


huntingross wrote:It's a good point sanchez

Thoughts on how to bring the system down though ? See the last sentence.

Money nearly brought the system down....See your next pointuntil they magically propped it up with more of the stuff they didn't haveSo in essence nearly never happened. NEARLY DIDN'T, it was never meant to be as we know there is no such thing as coincidence.....so to cover that little mystery up....make us pay for it in reposessions and unemploymentIndeed, amongst other things.

If I can bring just one of their companies down with money....I'll sleep better.You certainly won't do it with money my friend but there are other means.

I know they fear money I honourably disagree. It belongs to them entirely. It is not a system which involves justice and therefore is alien to humanity. It is an imposition upon human kind that's all.....maybe then they'll fear usThey already do. Most of humanity though do not even comprehend what we have talked about here though. To defeat this humanity needs to KNOW what is happening. Sit down, do not consent, do not comply. These things have freed some of humanity before. India for instance. Indians didn't co-operate so "THEY" had to make out that they gave in. "THEY" of course did not give in but gave India a false sense of victory "INDEPENDANCE", India gladly accpeted this as a victory. They didn't KNOW they were free, they just thought they were. See the point here is getting people away from thinking they know or percieving they know to KNOWING they KNOW. ABSOLUTE PROOF. The main thrust of this is breaking the matrix code. Stepping out and away on and in human terms.


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Re: UCC-1

Postby gepisar » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:52 pm

Comprehensive reply and concise!

Common law freedom? Sounds like a restraint in there! (ie. certain acts still prohibited)

The answer is what freedom means to you. If you had 5 billion in the bank - and with a reasonable expectation that money and EUROs will still be in existence in 20 years, i think you could run a reasonably free lifestyle: you could be free to buy the trappings of the material world. :thinks:

You might decide not to pay council tax and take things without asking (aka theft) and live in jail - with a free mind. Thats freedom too.

I propose that since language itself is a fiction, anything we communicate is an abstract idea, illusionary, we can never get away from illusions. Therefore, you are FREE to chose your particular illusion. You can even swap.

As for the particular construct of society as a whole (capitalism, democracy, anarchy, socialism, communism, fascism) they all have their pros and cons. Its often been said, give capitalism enough rope and it will hang itself. Then what? There needs to be some sort of common understanding for 7bn people to get along. Dont get me wrong, I hate homogenisation. The prospect of each child learning at school the same thing at the same time, nationally and even globally will make the world an easily controllable and boring place. Creativity and experimentation!

The solution to the problem with TPTB isnt to tackle the TPTB, but to tackle ones-self for TPTB are a reflection of what we leave behind.

The conclusion of Animal Farm is often mis-understood and quoted in schools to show communism doesnt work. BUT by the end of the book, the pigs have assumed power and are running a capitalist/dictator ship. The book is a warning against too much power being held in one place, which is exactly whats happened. The solution is also proposed in the book: a constant state of flux: a constant revolution. And i think here revolution should be thought of like a second hand revolves around a clock rather than taking up in arms against the oppressors, for if power is shifted around in equity, the less one group can get a grip.

Ok, so a slight deviation, but i think ive proposed a solution to wear down TPTB, and the specific question of UCC has been answered, yes you are playing the game - well. Does it bring freedom, I guess it can... but then you have to play that game. What does freedom mean to you, specifically?

Even if you have done the NOUICOR and live free on the land, in whose house? How would you acquire said property? And the modern conveniences...leccy - you may have a windmill, or be lucky enough to live by a stream. But one day, whilst travelling, a policeman may stop you. You may have you fee schedule activated and so on, but then what? His illusions about reality, and yours may clash. One of you will have to yield...If the policeman didnt have so much power(does s/he really anyway) it would be an interesting interaction of discovery, just like going to the Amazon jungle and living with indigenous people and learning about their reality. Im wondering if we were all FMOTL, we would be forced to interact at a much deeper level than we do now. We would need to know everyones "rules" about whats acceptable: and become much more tolerant when people transgress our own rules -> otherwise we're just going to keep falling out and end up living alone and miserable. That isnt freedom to me, but a life sentence.


Maybe then, this is the flux before we are all FMOTL. Bring on the revolution!! :wink:
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Re: UCC-1

Postby enegiss » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:20 pm

The answer is what freedom means to you. excellent reading guys, thanks for the views, food for thought. peace
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Re: UCC-1

Postby Highspirit » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:49 am

There is some excellent posts and information and views here and I have my own to add.

I like the idea of Freedom within a 'common law' environment but realise that right now we can only try and work towards this as the 'game' is where your food is unfortunately.

I look upon Freedom as realising that we have corrupt government, corrupt money system and the approaching NWO and Police State. Many of us are trapped in the 'Game' just to live but realise there is freedom to be had as well.

This I think is where the Freeman Redemption concept resonates with me. Yes they can change the rules of the game whenever they like but if I want to eat I have to play the game whilst at the same time trying to achieve the freedoms I desire. Now I know it sounds crazy, how can you be Free but at the same time play the game but that is where many of us find ourselves at this point in time. If they pack up the game and walk away then my solution would be total freedom as they would have forced my hand. However, I know they have a lot invested in this game/ride.

The whole concept is relatively new and there is a transition of coming out of Commerce into common law Freedom as we strive to break away but still have to eat and live.

Thats why when I see an awakening of the masses I have hope that one day soon there will be enough people convinced that change will have to occur.

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