Late Tax Return Penalty

Late Tax Return Penalty

Postby smoky » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:51 pm

I used to be self employed and in the 2011-2012 tax year I did 1 months work before I stopped working. I have just received a £900 late filling penalty from HMRC. Any way around this? Will No Contract return to Sender work?
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Re: Late Tax Return Penalty

Postby Freeman Stephen » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:58 pm

Is there a penalty clause in your contract with this tax levying company? If not, just write them a letter clarifying their mistake though. Be wary though some tax levying companies have been known to solicit for fresh business with people they have no contract with. To even reply to them could be construed as accepting a new contract, so if you dont have a contract with the tax levying company concerned, just file it with the rest of the junkmail.
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Re: Late Tax Return Penalty

Postby Prajna » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:15 pm

Do you owe 'em any tax? If you don't owe them tax then you have no duty to file and if you have no duty to file then you have no liability to pay any 'late return' fee.
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Postby smoky » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:45 pm

Prajna wrote:Do you owe 'em any tax? If you don't owe them tax then you have no duty to file and if you have no duty to file then you have no liability to pay any 'late return' fee.


No I don't owe any tax. It is simply for filling the tax return in late. They are asking for £900, I received the fine yesterday and sent the letter back no contract return to sender.
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Postby pitano1 » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:17 pm

hi smoky.
you may find this of assistance...http://freetheplanet.net/articles/169/success-with-the-taxman
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Re: Late Tax Return Penalty

Postby smoky » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:59 pm

Thanks for the replies.
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Postby Dreadlock » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:22 pm

What makes them think you're are a tax payer?

Tell them you will accept the role of tax payer but your service charge for acting in that capacity is, say, £900. After all, you don't work for free do you?
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Re: Late Tax Return Penalty

Postby Prajna » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:40 pm

Even according to their own rules, if you owe no tax you are not required to file a return and therefore not liable for any 'late filing' fees/fines/frauds. You don't even need any freeman/lawful-rebellion/creditors-in-commerce/contracts/whatever stuff. Make sure you charge 'em for their error and the disturbance they have caused you by it. Fuck, I'd even make a complaint of terrorism: didn't you feel terrified when confronted with that demand?
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Re: Late Tax Return Penalty

Postby smoky » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:01 pm

Prajna wrote:Even according to their own rules, if you owe no tax you are not required to file a return and therefore not liable for any 'late filing' fees/fines/frauds. You don't even need any freeman/lawful-rebellion/creditors-in-commerce/contracts/whatever stuff. Make sure you charge 'em for their error and the disturbance they have caused you by it. Fuck, I'd even make a complaint of terrorism: didn't you feel terrified when confronted with that demand?


I have already filled the tax return in some time ago, in hindsight I never would of completed it. The penalty is for it it not being sent back in time. I sent the last letter back no contract return to sender. Just hope they don't send any bailiffs round.
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Postby Dreadlock » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:16 pm

So you sent the tax return in in error. I'm sure of it :giggle: . Admit your mistake and tell them you are correcting it. You are not a tax payer. If they want you to be a taxpayer they need to pay you for your services.
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