Investigation into Lancashire County Council

Investigation into Lancashire County Council

Postby Zaniwhoop » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:06 pm

Hi ALL, I just thought I'd post this here, although it isn't my personal experience (although I will very likely be doing a similar investigation, as it is fairly obvious that it is enlightening to some Council and Policy department employees)

"TPUC new report:

My investigations into Lancashire County Council(LCC) started over 6weeks ago when I first discovered them listed on Dunn and Bradstreets’ website. It is listed there as a company and all of the schools in the county are listed as their ‘trading names’. I was interested to know more about the corporate status of LCC.

LCC was not the only supposed government organisation I found listed as a company on the above website. I could not, however, find them listed at Companies House, the UK Company Register database. This got me thinking!

From my own experience, any incorporated company registered in the UK is done so through Companies House, which is a Trading Fund. The office registered (the ‘registered office’) can either be the main place of business, the home address of the ‘owner/s’ or their solicitors’ office! If the registered offices is outside the UK its not on Companies House.

When I first phoned LCC, about 3wks ago, to ask them about what I had found on D&B I was met with confusion from whom ever I spoke to. I spoke to many different people all of which couldn’t answer my questions and could not put me onto some who could! Then I found one that could!

My question was very simple, “ Is Lancashire County Council a company and if so where is it registered?”

The first answer I always got was “LCC is a local authority, not a company”. My reply to this was very simple too:

“If that is the case, then why can I pay nearly $500 for Dun and Bradstreet International Business report. What information have they got that is worth $500 that I, as a member of the public, can’t get off you for free? Do members of the public have to pay tens of thousands of pounds to get individual reports on all its branch trading activities?”

By this point I had asked whoever was on the phone if they had internet access. “Yes” would always be the reply so I would direct them to the above website before asking the above questions.

The response from this was usually one of amazement. They would accept they new nothing and offered assistance by trying to find someone who could! I must say, everyone I spoke to did their best to find me an answer. Then I got a strange reply.

One man came back on the phone after having me on hold and said, “I have asked around and no one seems to know. Someone did tell me, though, that they had had a similar enquiry last year and they were told they would have to write in as a complaint but no one knew what had happened since”. He told me I should do the same.

I phoned back the next day, this was last week, and finally got through to someone who could answer my first question – Is LCC a company?

This gentleman told me that it was, and that it was registered at Companies House. This wasn’t news to him but he did not know the ins and outs. He said it had special status and that it wasn’t the same as all the other companies. He also thought it had been set up by Royal Charter!

Really? Like the Bank of England?!?

So I went to http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk

What I found is disturbing to say the least! Lancashire County Council is registered. Its number is 666! The full number is IP00666c but if you can accept that zero is NOT a number then the only number I see is 666! (FSA no. 666C)

Search this number at the above website and you will see Lancashire County Council. You will also see that has been removed and is no longer trading! I phoned companies house and they told me that it was a credit union and was registered with the Financial Services Authority! The women couldn’t tell me whether or not they were my county council and referred me to the FSA.

I phoned the FSA and spoke to a lovely woman called Maria (tel. 0207 066 4916) who was very knowledgeable and very helpful! Not often you get the two together! First she told me that the ‘IP’ and ’C’ prefix to the number meant it was formed under the Industrial and Provident Act 1965 and the Credit Union Act 1979.

She then went on to tell me the following:

‘ LCC was incorporated in 2002. Its registered office was 3rd Floor, Christ Church Precinct, County Hall, Preston. It was completely dissolved on the 24th January 2008.

All of the Assets and Liabilities of LCC were transferred on November 12th 2007 to another company called the The Blues and Twos Credit Union Ltd.

The registered address of this company is Lancashire Police Headquarters, PO Box 77, Hutton, Preston. They now own all of LCCs assets and liabilities!

I told her that I was confused because I paid council tax to a company called LCC. She said I shouldn’t because that company no longer exists and no one is trading with that name!?!

Now I was really confused and I got back on the phone to my local borough council and managed to speak to the head of collections! He was stunned to silence and kept saying, “ I don’t know what to say!

I tried in vain to have my questions answered from both my county and borough councils. Many, many phone calls all with the same reception – shock and aw! Still my questioned went unanswered!

Then, on Sun1st March 2009, I had a meeting at Preston Police station with a WPC Srgt Logan 2870. I had actually gone in to submit formal allegations against 3 officers who had stopped me outside Preston Magistrates 5days earlier.

I decided to talk to her about what I had found out about LCC and asked her whether the Police would investigate the matter if LCC would not deny that it is they I am looking at on Companies House!

She sat there in silence as I explained. Previous to this, when I had been explaining the Law to her and how her officers were breaking it, she had kept talking over me and been very dismissive. Now she just sat there.

She suddenly piped up and said “That can’t possibly be true!” To which I said “ You are not entitled to make that decision”
She repeated herself but this time I could see something going on behind her eyes! She was thinking about it! Then she said this

“ It can’t possibly be true because Lancs County Council pay my wages!”

“Really!” I said, “I thought you were employed by the police, sergeant. Are you not?”

And that brought an end to my first visit to Preston Police station!

Since then, I had to phone the police 0845 number for something and the man who answered said “Lancashire Constabulry”

“Oh, is that not Lancashire police Authority?” I replied.

“No sir, this is Lancashire Constabulry!” he said

“Well my council tax pays Lancs Police Authority, not Lancs Constaburly!”

“You need to speak to your council about that sir”

So I did! Trying to get hold of any one at the top at your council is hard but today (5.3.09) I got a call from a man called Gary who is head of corporate finance at South Ribble Borough Council.

I told him a few things and he very quickly sounded very worried! It was either because I was right or because he new I was right! He said he was going to look into it because it was very serious. Also, he said that all the money they collect as tax, every penny, goes to Lancs County Council!

“Then why am I paying you to pay then? What’s going on?”

I then read a few extracts from the Industrial and Provident Act 1965 to him. Now, I’m not sure but I believe he defecated right there on the spot!

He said he was going to check the names on accounts because he thought that what they paid to LCC was paid to an account with a different name!!! I told him it was probably the Blues and Twos! He just said he would get back to me as soon as he could!

That’s where we are up to. Still no conformation as to whether or not LCC (IP00666c) is my county council! But after reading various Acts I can see how it is!!!

The funny thing is, South Ribble Council have a Liability Order against the legal fiction known as MICHAEL THOMAS DOBSON. They have been hassling me for months, as I had been conned into thinking it was me! Since I started the above process I hadn’t heard a thing until 2days ago when they sent me a very polite letter asking if I would like to pay by direct debit! Ha ha

The other thing to note is that not one other county council is listed on companies house! Weird!

source: http://www.tpuc.org/node/588"

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Re: Investigation into Lancashire County Council

Postby huntingross » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:49 pm

All very interesting, there is a discussion under 'Gordon Brown' here, wondering how some companies don't appear on Companies House...this might explain.

I'm curious about Midlothian Council now...
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Re: Investigation into Lancashire County Council

Postby Wolf » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:03 pm

YES please join the other post Zaniwhoop

lets get some life into this fascinating subject !!
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Re: Investigation into Lancashire County Council

Postby Zaniwhoop » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:42 am

Will do, thanks folk :D
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Re: Investigation into Lancashire County Council

Postby huntingross » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:16 pm

So...the FSA have written back, no sign of Midlothian Council, despite them and all the schools being on DnB.

In frustration I typed Midlothian into Companies House and there is Midlothian Schools and Schools (Debt Co) and Schools (Holdings)...all had formerly been Pacific Shelf Ltd in Glasgow...

There must be over 100 Pacific Shelf companies.

This is a curious diversion, the relevance I am uncertain of.
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Re: Investigation into Lancashire County Council

Postby kevin » Thu May 14, 2009 9:47 pm

did anyone find anything about the Blues and Twos? or Lancashire County Council? i haven't seen anything more from anyone.
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Re: Investigation into Lancashire County Council

Postby w14 » Fri May 22, 2009 5:53 pm

Hi all,

This is my first post here. Didn't want to start on a negative note, however ...

This subject really interests me, but this the central tenet of this entire piece is simply wrong. As a result, the whole piece is nonsense.

If the author had bothered to put his glasses on, he would have found that company number IP00666C was LANCASHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL CREDIT UNION LTD, not Lancashire County Council. So it is perfectly reasonable that it was merged with the Blues and Twos Credit Union, no?

The one useful suggestion to come out of it is that these bodies are set up like the BoE as Royal Charter companies. That would be a coup if we could prove that!

Another point - Dun and Bradstreet is a credit reference agency, not a company registry. Any organisation that needs a credit reference (i.e. is issuing contracts to third parties) will be on there. That is not proof of legal status.

This is all just lazy research, as far as I can see. We need to find a whistle blower, or work hard at the FOI requests to get to the bottom of it definitively. In the meantime, I have a problem with this kind of thing being stated as fact. I think it is likely to be true, but no-one should be saying any more than that at this time, unless there's something out there of a somewhat higher standard than this.
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Re: Investigation into Lancashire County Council

Postby BaldBeardyDude » Fri May 22, 2009 6:13 pm

Hi w14 - welcome to the forum, m8.

You may, or may not, have noticed that the research and quotes were all from tpuc and not our members?

That aside, you are correct in what you say, my friend. I left TPUC, as the testosterone and arguing were distracting me. We don't do EGO here, so you may find it a little more peaceful.

Can I suggest you intro yourself in the welcome section? That way we all get to know the new member of the family, as we like to think of ourselves here.

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Re: Investigation into Lancashire County Council

Postby markie b » Sat May 23, 2009 11:41 pm

w14 wrote:Hi all,

This is my first post here. Didn't want to start on a negative note, however ...

This subject really interests me, but this the central tenet of this entire piece is simply wrong. As a result, the whole piece is nonsense.

If the author had bothered to put his glasses on, he would have found that company number IP00666C was LANCASHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL CREDIT UNION LTD, not Lancashire County Council. So it is perfectly reasonable that it was merged with the Blues and Twos Credit Union, no?

The one useful suggestion to come out of it is that these bodies are set up like the BoE as Royal Charter companies. That would be a coup if we could prove that!

Another point - Dun and Bradstreet is a credit reference agency, not a company registry. Any organisation that needs a credit reference (i.e. is issuing contracts to third parties) will be on there. That is not proof of legal status.

This is all just lazy research, as far as I can see. We need to find a whistle blower, or work hard at the FOI requests to get to the bottom of it definitively. In the meantime, I have a problem with this kind of thing being stated as fact. I think it is likely to be true, but no-one should be saying any more than that at this time, unless there's something out there of a somewhat higher standard than this.



heya w14 more proof lays in the pudding my friend that was just a snack more information wanted heres more proof http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmstand/deleg3/st040318/40318s01.htm

none of this is easy stuff to find by the way as they are very good at being decietful and pulling the wool over peoples eyes to protect their own gains!i urge you to read the bottom of the link provided and take note!to me it says a whole book load about what they stand for!justice or revenues you decide ive already made my mind up and hate the f****s for it :grr: they can quite happily kiss my glutius maximus before they get there hands on anymore of my money from my work!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Investigation into Lancashire County Council

Postby shepherdess » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:34 pm

I'm new today!

If the author had bothered to put his glasses on, he would have found that company number IP00666C was LANCASHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL CREDIT UNION LTD, not Lancashire County Council. So it is perfectly reasonable that it was merged with the Blues and Twos Credit Union, no?


I spoke to John Harris on this directly prior to an "its an illusion" meeting. I'm "a qualified accountant" so Im fairly good with financial information. I explained the amalgamation of the two credit unions and he told me " yeh, thats what they told me." I even explained that the Blues and Two's website states the joining of LCC union and their own. He still included it in his talk but failed to mention that there was a possiblity that TPUC might have been wrong. I felt sad that so many people were looking to him for knowledge and he was decieving them a little, In my own idea of the word... I dont think to date there has been a final update on that matter, it seems to have been forgotten now.

I was also saddened about the two questions I asked, one was about fluoride and the other was about children. Neither one got a straight answer, or even a crooked one. The latter one just had a shrug.

I dont expect all the answers handed on a plate, but the more that things are discussed, the more chance there is of discovering the solution by educating each other.

As said in "the celestine prophecy," in the future, people will no longer exchange goods for money but for information.
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