It's All Beyond You

Re: It's All Beyond You

Postby huntingross » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:45 pm

It's an interesting fact of internet debate...no one ever wins the arguement.

Dreadlock has made his point very well, it couldn't be made clearer.

Busta/Musashi have made their point also, in this thread and others.

What I think is important, as this seems to be a thread designed to pique the interest of those unfamiliar with the Great Charter or Magna Carta as most prefer, would be to explain what the Barons intend to do once the subjects have sworn their oath to them.

Have they made any statement on the subject. Are they on the record somewhere.

Would they raise an army of those sworn to them or is it simply a display of moral support before they act.

What would be the remedy whereupon rebellion ceases and allegiance returns to the monarch. The time for the obvious answer has long passed since the monarch signed the treaty.

The discussion seems to suggest that the oath is the end of it. It seems to me like all power struggles, it is just the start of it. A process to redress balance.

As the Courts, the Police and the Military all swear to the Queen, where does that leave the Barons. Apart from being in lawful rebellion.
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Re: It's All Beyond You

Postby musashi » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:00 pm

huntingross wrote:It's an interesting fact of internet debate...no one ever wins the arguement.

Dreadlock has made his point very well, it couldn't be made clearer.

Busta/Musashi have made their point also, in this thread and others.

What I think is important, as this seems to be a thread designed to pique the interest of those unfamiliar with the Great Charter or Magna Carta as most prefer, would be to explain what the Barons intend to do once the subjects have sworn their oath to them.

Have they made any statement on the subject. Are they on the record somewhere.

Would they raise an army of those sworn to them or is it simply a display of moral support before they act.

What would be the remedy whereupon rebellion ceases and allegiance returns to the monarch. The time for the obvious answer has long passed since the monarch signed the treaty.

The discussion seems to suggest that the oath is the end of it. It seems to me like all power struggles, it is just the start of it. A process to redress balance.

As the Courts, the Police and the Military all swear to the Queen, where does that leave the Barons. Apart from being in lawful rebellion.


The problem here is one of 'breadth of vision' and the failure to see that the only important issue, for everyone, is Agenda 21.
You can do other things, you can do any number of other things, but if you do not do this one thing then you will not survive.

All the chemtrails; all the fracking; all the murderous vaccination programmes; the child snatching, the compulsory licensing of lawful activities; the asset stripping of Britain; the unfair trade agreements; the destruction of industry, agriculture and fisheries; Monsanto Frankenfoods; the uncontrolled immigration; unlawful taxes; bad education; bad food; mortgages, fraudulent banking and the evictions; seizing private property; membership of the Nazi Eu, all these will all fall away with the reinstatement of a lawful government.

Within the freeman movement there are no victories possible – not one – which will make the slightest difference to Agenda 21 and its programme to capture all private property and depopulate the people of the world down to 500 million and mainatin it there.

Do you understand that without private property we lack the capacity to meet our existential needs?We become dependent on others – the elite – for survival – and they do not want us to survive.

If you all drop your specialised interests – fracking, vaccinations, tax battles and endless dialectics on the subtleties of words - and throw your weight behind rebellion then all your specialised interests will succeed as a matter of course - if or when the rebellion succeeds.
If you do this and rebellion fails then you are no worse off, because your single issue actions on tax or mortgages guarantee failure anyway. Agenda 21 is unaffected by a tax loss in county court. Or a PCN going unpaid.

Rebellion – the assertion of fundamental freedoms - is to remove the bad guys from the government; the bad guys who are making all our lives so miserable in so many ways, but separately tackling each one of these many ways is not the way to go. You cannot succeed like that. Tackle the bad guys and all their works will die off.
Tackle their works and they themselves will survive to produce yet more works.

Agenda 21's global programme is already here and acting locally. Local actions are the only way it can operate and You can stop it locally. Right now. For the moment it is voluntary participation and can easily be stopped by dropping out of it,
You only have until November to do this.
The voluntary participation of Agenda 21 will almost certainly become mandatory under the EU and depopulation plans will continue. None of you will survive this despite your NOUICORS.

Any ten parishioners can demand a referendum and the parish must hold it and pay for it.
Inform your local council and community and demand a referendum to put a stop to Agenda 21/Sustainable Development/Smart Growth/The Reset, whatever guise it has taken on, acting locally.

Alabama has become the first State in the USA to ban Agenda 21. Three other states are following suit.
City and town Councils around the various American States are banning it and any associated actions or programmes or financing dependent or aligned with it.
The National Association of Nutritional Professionals hold lectures exposing Agenda 21 and Codex 'depopulation by starvation' plans.
Lord Monckton is active worldwide against Agenda 21 and advises everyone to throw it out of their town.
Anne Bressington, an Australian parliamentary politician, makes speeches in the house and elsewhere exposing and denouncing it.
Pastors, padres, priests, ministers and vicars worldwide are exposing it to their congregations and denouncing the depopulation plans.
Some of these same ministers are revealing the NWO fundamental changes to the bible to support Agenda 21 plans for a new religion and new ten commandments. You need to educate the local council, and others, on their 'useful idiot' role in implementing their own destruction.

These individuals are a great ally to us. They do not come out of the 'conspiracy theorist nut zone' but from their own socially stratified, recognised, respected and accepted 'nice people zone'. They carry a weight of credibility we don't have.

I have made DVDs from the literally thousands of You Tubes available to distribute to the council, the police, the lawyers, the church, the various organisations like the WI, The British Legion, The RAOB, The Grand order of the Orange Lodge and any others who have a voice in an existing large organisation. For ten quid and a couple of hours work you can make a difference.

Each DVD is personalised to their trade or calling;
DVDs for councils contain Agenda 21 info from politicians and councillors against it and what they've done about it.
DVDs to the church contain the threat of Agenda 21 to their lives and to their religion – Georgia Guidestones footage as well as other vicars speaking out.
DVDs to the cops contain Magna Carta, law changes and Agenda 21.
Similarly to the lawyers.
Each group, whatever it is, is targeted in their specific, relevant areas of interest.

People will not change until they are forced to change. People will not react until they are threatened personally and that is the intention of the DVDs – to show that they and their fsmilies and everyone they know are personally threatened.

We are in a numbers game and an information war. We need to inform more people of the most dangerous threat they have ever heard of and get them on board as a matter of self survival.
Nothing else matters.

The core programme of every living thing boils down to this : eat - survive – procreate.
Agenda 21 and Codex makes sure that we do not eat, cannot survive and, therefore, cannot reproduce. When the six billion of us have been removed they will maintain the surviving population by control of all private property (the means to support yourself) and food.
So they have said, so they will do.

If you are not asserting your fundamental freedoms (rebelling) then you are complicit in your own destruction.

It takes very little research to find that the UN said in 1947 that it would use food as a weapon against the people. It takes very little further research to find that Agenda 21 rolled out on 1968. A little more reveals the 180 odd countries which signed up for this Sustainability scam (empty the countryside) and Smart Growth (stack them and pack them in tiny houses) and Public Private Partnerships (stealing all private property, government assets and property held in trust for the people).
A little more research shows up ICLEI; ICUN; Earth Charter; Biospehere Reserves; RESET; The Re-Wilding Project and more.

November is checkmate.

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Re: It's All Beyond You

Postby bustachemtrails » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:54 pm

To reply to your question Huntigross

What I think is important, as this seems to be a thread designed to pique the interest of those unfamiliar with the Great Charter or Magna Carta as most prefer, would be to explain what the Barons intend to do once the subjects have sworn their oath to them.


What they intend to do is as yet unclear and we are working on this. Even if we have to go knocking on doors we are expecting them to convene the grand Jury of the peoples court when the army arrive (us).

The committee of the barons is constitutionally the highest authority in the land. Being in number 25 they already made up the Grand jury to issue the petition/demand on the office of sovereign, which as said is a vacant office since the breach of the Coronation Oath deposed or usurped QE2. This as far as I am aware at least makes no difference to the petition and the invocation of Article 61. She was given the mandatory 40 days to redress this problem, which could not be done as she was not the holder of the office. This means that Article 61 was bound to be invoked as it was.

The fact that it was invoked under constituional law / common law there is no doubt. The barons acted according to the rule of law at every step (however they perhaps should have demanded an audience with Elizabeth Battenberg (AKA Windsor) instead of her private secretary Janvin).

It seems astonishing to me that the constitution is about to burn and people are making every arguement possible about why they should not support it. It is especially strange when they have no remedy to offer themselves. Magna Carta Article 61 makes it very clear that all are to be compelled to stand, the order of the monarch is written within the article and does not require it to be ordered again, and how could it be when the office is empty? should we all shrug our shoulders and go back home scratching our heads? NO! we must stand by the highest authority in the land that is attempting to defend our right to self determination, that is just commonsense surely?

Would they raise an army of those sworn to them or is it simply a display of moral support before they act.


The barons fulfilled their obligation to the country by invoking the 'security clause' (Article 61) it is now upto the people to become the army they require for their safety, and to convene the Grand jury to issue true bills and have these traitors in government et al arrested. Yes we need the police to stand with us and many are unhappy with the way things are going. Once they see en masse support for them to act, according to the law, some will stand with us which could easily turn the tide.

What would be the remedy whereupon rebellion ceases and allegiance returns to the monarch. The time for the obvious answer has long passed since the monarch signed the treaty.


The remedy would be the revoking of the Nice treaty as the petition demands, this would also mean that all the EU treatise would be revoked and we would once again be standing entirely within our own structures of law. Returning our allegiance to the monarch would not be possible consdering the treason she was committed, I imagine we would have to re-elect a King whom stands as a constitutional monarch, we should have now?

Persoanally I would rather not have a monarchy at all, but I can see an arguement for not havinfg a republic also. We clearly need a seperation of powers and I may suggest that a council of constitutional experts could safeguard our sovereignty by throwing out any acts of parliament that do not resonate with the constitution...but that's just me, I'm sure we all have our different views on that one.

The discussion seems to suggest that the oath is the end of it. It seems to me like all power struggles, it is just the start of it. A process to redress balance.


The Oath of allegiance is important in my view for two reasons. A). The barons ' committee would know that they are now well supported and B). Having a copy of your oath provides proof of your standing against those who unlawfully seek demands on you. It also proves that we are not outlaws but stand entirely within the common law.

As the Courts, the Police and the Military all swear to the Queen, where does that leave the Barons. Apart from being in lawful rebellion.


Whereas the queen has been deposed or usurped of the title, all these different authoritive bodies have absolutely no authority to act in the name of the crown. It leaves the barons as the highrest authority in the land as said, according to constitutional law anyway. All other alleged authorities are not standing by the constitution which is an act of treason. All must stand by Article 61 once it has been invoked or face being compelled by those who are.

As my honoourable friend Musashi states, we have no choice but to rebel. Agenda 21 is destroying us and when the constitution no longer exists, we will be stuck in the genocidal hell of our own creation. If anybody has a remedy other than Article 61 to offer then please do. The only way I can see the country surviving treason from within is the same way that Magna Cara does, to demand that the people stand in defence of their freedoms. If you think about it there is no other way, unless the military stand in our defence and then, we would very likely be in a civil war which would be very bloody indeed no doubt.


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Re: It's All Beyond You

Postby Dreadlock » Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:41 pm

So Busta, you are saying that the queen was deposed before Lawful Rebellion was declared?
That raises the following questions...
1. Which authority did the deposing? When?
2. Why hasn't a new coronation taken place?
3. Why did the barons petition the queen if she had already been deposed? Their actions clearly indicate their belief that the queen is the monarch.
4. You have sworn allegiance to the barons... are you also in disagreement with them regarding the status of Elizabeth II?
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Re: It's All Beyond You

Postby Dreadlock » Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:42 pm


Letter To The Queens Private Secretary

Sir Robin Janvrin, KCVO, CB
Principal Private Secretary to Her Majesty The Queen
Buckingham Palace
London

23 March 2001

...
We are and remain Her Majestys most loyal and obedient subjects.

Ashbourne Rutland Massereene & Ferrard Hamilton of Dalzell


A Petition to

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

presented under clause 61 of Magna Carta, 1215

February 2001

To Defend British Rights and Freedoms

Ma’am,

as our humble duty, we draw to Your Majesty’s attention:
...

We have the honour to be Your Majesty’s loyal and obedient subjects.


:thinks: Deposed huh?
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Re: It's All Beyond You

Postby strawmansarah » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:17 pm

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Re: It's All Beyond You

Postby bustachemtrails » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:58 am

@ Dreadlock.

That is mere protocol you moron.

Just as I may write to the Chief Inspector with honour and respect at first. Its how honourble men and women conduct themselves. You could do with taking some lesseons!
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Re: It's All Beyond You

Postby Dreadlock » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:54 pm

That is mere protocol you moron.

Just as I may write to the Chief Inspector with honour and respect at first. Its how honourble men and women conduct themselves. You could do with taking some lesseons!


It may well be protocol but they are also acknowledgements of Her Majesty's position. Just as by writing to a Chief Inspector as the Chief Inspector you are acknowledging that he is the Chief Inspector.

You say I need lessons - have I been anything other than polite towards you? Have you been less than polite towards me? All I am doing is asking you questions which you should be able to answer if your position is tenable.
Clearly it isn't which is why you have resorted (yet again) to childish insults while failing to answer any of the very reasonable questions I have put to you.

I really don't think I need say any more on this matter.
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