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Re: possible energy workshop/meeting

PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:20 am
by holy vehm

Re: possible energy workshop/meeting

PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:23 pm
by kenb
Hi HV,

I've also researched the Bedini motor, and it looks great, but seems very expensive to buy even in kit form, and even then it's only experimental so the disclaimer says. I would love to know if your friend has had success with it and what sort of power output can be taken from it :grin: :8-):

Re: possible energy workshop/meeting

PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:33 pm
by Prajna
kenb wrote:Hi HV,

I've also researched the Bedini motor, and it looks great, but seems very expensive to buy even in kit form, and even then it's only experimental so the disclaimer says. I would love to know if your friend has had success with it and what sort of power output can be taken from it :grin: :8-):


Plenty of plans on the net, Ken, and there is nothing difficult to get, as far as parts are concerned. Better you build yourself from scratch, that way you learn how and why it works. Also you might like to google joule thief and have a play with that; good practice, useful and will educate you a little about bedini's motor. Also check out the schoolgirl motor, which is a bedini design and another good intro. You don't have to spend money on a kit.

Re: possible energy workshop/meeting

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:42 am
by holy vehm
Prajna wrote:Plenty of plans on the net, Ken, and there is nothing difficult to get, as far as parts are concerned. Better you build yourself from scratch, that way you learn how and why it works. Also you might like to google joule thief and have a play with that; good practice, useful and will educate you a little about bedini's motor. Also check out the schoolgirl motor, which is a bedini design and another good intro. You don't have to spend money on a kit.


Good info and sound advice prajna :yes:

If it cost lots of hard earned then it kinda goes against the point really.
I personally think the solution is staring us straight in the face, something very simplistic.

Hopefully one day and soon we will find out.

:peace:
hv

Re: possible energy workshop/meeting

PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:46 am
by Prajna
It is a fascinating subject and has absorbed hours of my attention. Steorn's Orbo looks interesting, as does the LaFont Group's new magnetic switching system. There are many different approaches that seem to offer great promise or that may be sophisticated hoaxes; it is so hard to distinguish one from the other. Anyone studying this field will also discover just how much we don't know about science, even basic science like magnetism.

One thing that I have observed in my studies is that there seems to be a mysterious balance in all energy systems: you would think that pressure, gravity, magnetism, electricity, etc. are all different forces and that you could create an imbalance that would allow perpetual motion to arise, by combining any two of those forces, but it seems that they are always in balance with each other. Somehow there seems to be a 'strange attractor' that pulls things into balance. This seems to be so in living systems too: ecosystems, once and unbalancing force is introduced, tend to find a new balance. This also appears to be true of social systems, political systems, perhaps all complex systems.

Re: possible energy workshop/meeting

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:12 pm
by huntingross
OK, I'm trying to get what little I know about electronics around Bedini, Stubblefield, earth batteries etc.....

So today I went off half cock with a tiny experiment...

Galv steel strap driven a very short distance into the ground.....2m away (north south), 15mm copper pipe driven in a decent amout.....stretched 2m of wire from the strap to an electric fence insulating post....voltmeter between the wire and the copper gave me a steady 0.7V

I thought this was respectable considering....but what can be usefully done with this....

Would it -

Power an LED ?
Can it be stepped up in a diode ladder ?
Would a series of these ACTUALLY be like a series of batteries where you add voltages ?
Other options ?

I shall try a shorter distance and will try much longer and see what happens.

Re: possible energy workshop/meeting

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:15 pm
by Prajna
Depends what current it will provide. It will, if there is even a small current, light a LED if you use a joule thief circuit. Probably not much else though.

Bit of a read but... http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3500.0

Re: possible energy workshop/meeting

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 10:38 pm
by huntingross
Thank you prajna

Lots of reading in there....and a few points of interest attached here....

Static from falling water....presumably that could be stored and stepped to more useable volts and amps.

Some interesting experiments on that site too, trying different metals, alignments etc


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Re: possible energy workshop/meeting

PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:05 pm
by Prajna
Yes, Kelvin's wonderful generator, and demonstrated by none other than Walter Lewin. It is worth watching all of his electricity lectures (as long as your maths is up to it). Did you notice how much water it took to get these (admittedly very high voltage) sparks? If you have a stream you could generate electricity this way and transform voltage down to produce some amps. You would probably get more from a microhydro set up though.

Re: possible energy workshop/meeting

PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:26 pm
by huntingross
Kelvins dripping water has had me fascinated all day....it occurs to me....(and this might highlight how little I know about this.....but) could you feed BIG vdc through an ignition coil to output 12 vdc....

I too was impressed with the small amount of water to generate this much energy....one site I was reading went into all sorts of detail, including the idea (no detail) on how to re-circulate from the collection bucket without loosing the charge.....apparently it isn't all dissipated with the spark.

Also, further reading today, made me realise that my copper and zinc were the wrong way round.....so reversed them tonight....

The same set up (the right way round) gave me just over 1 vdc....only 0.7 vdc yesterday... I love this.