How to de-rigester children

Re: How to de-rigester children

Postby bustthematrix » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:06 pm

I'm not sure I get it. :puzz:

Why exactly are the PTBs in the business of taking people's kids away from them?

This is typically more expensive for the state!!! :exercise:

Anyone with info please advise!
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Re: How to de-rigester children

Postby sosii » Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:21 am

bustthematrix wrote:I'm not sure I get it. :puzz:

Why exactly are the PTBs in the business of taking people's kids away from them?

This is typically more expensive for the state!!! :exercise:

Anyone with info please advise!



You don't fave to "get" it, your a better human being for not understanding it.

Councils are private, for profit, companies and to be incredibly brutal about it there is a lot of money in it for them, watch Brian Gerrish, http://www.youtube.com/28318511#p/c/7907F79DAE0667BF .

Everything has an expense, and you'll find money is not a problem for these guys.

Cheers.
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Re: How to de-rigester children

Postby Hope » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:52 pm

the_common_law_reverend_kenny wrote:
Trusts or the setting up of one will need to be tested , before
I will be confident that they do work to protect children.


who will do the testing?

What kind of proof would convince you?

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The proof will be in the pudding and tested by parents.

The proof will be when challenged i.e. they want to remove children and this stops them
and/or it redeems children already taken.
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Re: How to de-rigester children

Postby sosii » Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:46 pm

One of my favorite quotations,

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a communist;

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a trade unionist;

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out — because I was not a Jew;

Then they came for me — and there was no one left to speak out.


Martin Niemöller



I know where I stand, all I want is to fix something that has made our kids into the establishments own private piggy bank.
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Re: How to de-rigester children

Postby Hope » Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:14 pm

I am not an expert on trusts , but hopefully this maybe of use;

CONVENTION ON THE LAW APPLICABLE TO TRUSTS AND ON THEIR RECOGNITION
(Concluded 1 July 1985)
The States signatory to the present Convention,
Considering that the trust, as developed in courts of equity in common law jurisdictions and adopted with some
modifications in other jurisdictions, is a unique legal institution,
Desiring to establish common provisions on the law applicable to trusts and to deal with the most important issues
concerning the recognition of trusts,
Have resolved to conclude a Convention to this effect, and have agreed upon the following provisions -
chapter i - scope
Article 1
This Convention specifies the law applicable to trusts and governs their recognition.
Article 2
For the purposes of this Convention, the term "trust" refers to the legal relationships created - inter vivos or on
death - by a person, the settlor, when assets have been placed under the control of a trustee for the benefit of a
beneficiary or for a specified purpose.
A trust has the following characteristics -
a) the assets constitute a separate fund and are not a part of the trustee's own estate;
b) title to the trust assets stands in the name of the trustee or in the name of another person on behalf of the
trustee;
c) the trustee has the power and the duty, in respect of which he is accountable, to manage, employ or dispose of
the assets in accordance with the terms of the trust and the special duties imposed upon him by law.
The reservation by the settlor of certain rights and powers, and the fact that the trustee may himself have rights as
a beneficiary, are not necessarily inconsistent with the existence of a trust.
Article 3
The Convention applies only to trusts created voluntarily and evidenced in writing.
Article 4
The Convention does not apply to preliminary issues relating to the validity of wills or of other acts by virtue of
which assets are transferred to the trustee.
Article 5
The Convention does not apply to the extent that the law specified by Chapter II does not provide for trusts or the
category of trusts involved.
chapter ii - applicable law
Article 6
A trust shall be governed by the law chosen by the settlor. The choice must be express or be implied in the terms
of the instrument creating or the writing evidencing the trust, interpreted, if necessary, in the light of the
circumstances of the case.
Where the law chosen under the previous paragraph does not provide for trusts or the category of trust involved,
the choice shall not be effective and the law specified in Article 7 shall apply.
Article 7
Where no applicable law has been chosen, a trust shall be governed by the law with which it is most closely
connected.
In ascertaining the law with which a trust is most closely connected reference shall be made in particular to -
a) the place of administration of the trust designated by the settlor;
b) the situs of the assets of the trust;
c) the place of residence or business of the trustee;
d) the objects of the trust and the places where they are to be fulfilled.
Article 8
The law specified by Article 6 or 7 shall govern the validity of the trust, its construction, its effects, and the
administration of the trust.
In particular that law shall govern -
a) the appointment, resignation and removal of trustees, the capacity to act as a trustee, and the devolution of the
office of trustee;
b) the rights and duties of trustees among themselves;
c) the right of trustees to delegate in whole or in part the discharge of their duties or the exercise of their powers;
d) the power of trustees to administer or to dispose of trust assets, to create security interests in the trust assets, or
to acquire new assets;
e) the powers of investment of trustees;
f) restrictions upon the duration of the trust, and upon the power to accumulate the income of the trust;
g) the relationships between the trustees and the beneficiaries including the personal liability of the trustees to the
beneficiaries;
h) the variation or termination of the trust;
i) the distribution of the trust assets;
j) the duty of trustees to account for their administration.
Article 9
In applying this Chapter a severable aspect of the trust, particularly matters of administration, may be governed by
a different law.
Article 10
The law applicable to the validity of the trust shall determine whether that law or the law governing a severable
aspect of the trust may be replaced by another law.
chapter iii - recognition
Article 11
A trust created in accordance with the law specified by the preceding Chapter shall be recognised as a trust.
Such recognition shall imply, as a minimum, that the trust property constitutes a separate fund, that the trustee
may sue and be sued in his capacity as trustee, and that he may appear or act in this capacity before a notary or
any person acting in an official capacity.
In so far as the law applicable to the trust requires or provides, such recognition shall imply, in particular -
a) that personal creditors of the trustee shall have no recourse against the trust assets;
b) that the trust assets shall not form part of the trustee's estate upon his insolvency or bankruptcy;
c) that the trust assets shall not form part of the matrimonial property of the trustee or his spouse nor part of the
trustee's estate upon his death;
d) that the trust assets may be recovered when the trustee, in breach of trust, has mingled trust assets with his own
property or has alienated trust assets. However, the rights and obligations of any third party holder of the assets
shall remain subject to the law determined by the choice of law rules of the forum.
Article 12
Where the trustee desires to register assets, movable or immovable, or documents of title to them, he shall be
entitled, in so far as this is not prohibited by or inconsistent with the law of the State where registration is sought,
to do so in his capacity as trustee or in such other way that the existence of the trust is disclosed.
Article 13
No State shall be bound to recognise a trust the significant elements of which, except for the choice of the
applicable law, the place of administration and the habitual residence of the trustee, are more closely connected
with States which do not have the institution of the trust or the category of trust involved.
Article 14
The Convention shall not prevent the application of rules of law more favourable to the recognition of trusts.
chapter iv - general clauses
Article 15
The Convention does not prevent the application of provisions of the law designated by the conflicts rules of the
forum, in so far as those provisions cannot be derogated from by voluntary act, relating in particular to the
following matters -
a) the protection of minors and incapable parties;
b) the personal and proprietary effects of marriage;
c) succession rights, testate and intestate, especially the indefeasible shares of spouses and relatives;
d) the transfer of title to property and security interests in property;
e) the protection of creditors in matters of insolvency;
f) the protection, in other respects, of third parties acting in good faith.
If recognition of a trust is prevented by application of the preceding paragraph, the court shall try to give effect to
the objects of the trust by other means.
Article 16
The Convention does not prevent the application of those provisions of the law of the forum which must be
applied even to international situations, irrespective of rules of conflict of laws.
If another State has a sufficiently close connection with a case then, in exceptional circumstances, effect may also
be given to rules of that State which have the same character as mentioned in the preceding paragraph.
Any Contracting State may, by way of reservation, declare that it will not apply the second paragraph of this
Article.
Article 17
In the Convention the word "law" means the rules of law in force in a State other than its rules of conflict of laws.
Article 18
The provisions of the Convention may be disregarded when their application would be manifestly incompatible
with public policy (ordre public).
Article 19
Nothing in the Convention shall prejudice the powers of States in fiscal matters.
Article 20
Any Contracting State may, at any time, declare that the provisions of the Convention will be extended to trusts
declared by judicial decisions.
This declaration shall be notified to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and will
come into effect on the day when this notification is received.
Article 31 is applicable to the withdrawal of this declaration in the same way as it applies to a denunciation of the
Convention.
Article 21
Any Contracting State may reserve the right to apply the provisions of Chapter III only to trusts the validity of
which is governed by the law of a Contracting State.
Article 22
The Convention applies to trusts regardless of the date on which they were created.
However, a Contracting State may reserve the right not to apply the Convention to trusts created before the date
on which, in relation to that State, the Convention enters into force.
Article 23
For the purpose of identifying the law applicable under the Convention, where a State comprises several territorial
units each of which has its own rules of law in respect of trusts, any reference to the law of that State is to be
construed as referring to the law in force in the territorial unit in question.
Article 24
A State within which different territorial units have their own rules of law in respect of trusts is not bound to
apply the Convention to conflicts solely between the laws of such units.
Article 25
The Convention shall not affect any other international instrument containing provisions on matters governed by
this Convention to which a Contracting State is, or becomes, a Party.
chapter v - final clauses
Article 26
Any State may, at the time of signature, ratification, acceptance, approval or accession, or at the time of making a
declaration in terms of Article 29, make the reservations provided for in Articles 16, 21 and 22.
No other reservation shall be permitted.
Any Contracting State may at any time withdraw a reservation which it has made; the reservation shall cease to
have effect on the first day of the third calendar month after notification of the withdrawal.
Article 27
The Convention shall be open for signature by the States which were Members of the Hague Conference on
Private International Law at the time of its Fifteenth Session.
It shall be ratified, accepted or approved and the instruments of ratification, acceptance or approval shall be
deposited with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Article 28
Any other State may accede to the Convention after it has entered into force in accordance with Article 30,
paragraph 1.
The instrument of accession shall be deposited with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of the
Netherlands.
The accession shall have effect only as regards the relations between the acceding State and those Contracting
States which have not raised an objection to its accession in the twelve months after the receipt of the notification
referred to in Article 32. Such an objection may also be raised by Member States at the time when they ratify,
accept or approve the Convention after an accession. Any such objection shall be notified to the Ministry of
Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Article 29
If a State has two or more territorial units in which different systems of law are applicable, it may at the time of
signature, ratification, acceptance, approval or accession declare that this Convention shall extend to all of its
territorial units or only to one or more of them and may modify this declaration by submitting another declaration
at any time.
Any such declaration shall be notified to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and
shall state expressly the territorial units to which the Convention applies.
If a State makes no declaration under this Article, the Convention is to extend to all territorial units of that State.
Article 30
The Convention shall enter into force on the first day of the third calendar month after the deposit of the third
instrument of ratification, acceptance or approval referred to in Article 27.
Thereafter the Convention shall enter into force -
a) for each State ratifying, accepting or approving it subsequently, on the first day of the third calendar month
after the deposit of its instrument of ratification, acceptance or approval;
b) for each acceding State, on the first day of the third calendar month after the expiry of the period referred to in
Article 28;
c) for a territorial unit to which the Convention has been extended in conformity with Article 29, on the first day
of the third calendar month after the notification referred to in that Article.
Article 31
Any Contracting State may denounce this Convention by a formal notification in writing addressed to the
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, depositary of the Convention.
The denunciation takes effect on the first day of the month following the expiration of six months after the
notification is received by the depositary or on such later date as is specified in the notification.
Article 32
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of the Netherlands shall notify the States Members of the
Conference, and the States which have acceded in accordance with Article 28, of the following -
a) the signatures and ratifications, acceptances or approvals referred to in Article 27;
b) the date on which the Convention enters into force in accordance with Article 30;
c) the accessions and the objections raised to accessions referred to in Article 28;
d) the extensions referred to in Article 29;
e) the declarations referred to in Article 20;
f) the reservation or withdrawals referred to in Article 26;
g) the denunciations referred to in Article 31.
In witness whereof the undersigned, being duly authorised thereto, have signed this Convention.
Done at The Hague, on the first day of July, 1985, in English and French, both texts being equally authentic, in a
single copy which shall be deposited in the archives of the Government of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, and
of which a certified copy shall be sent, through diplomatic channels, to each of the States Members of the Hague
Conference on Private International Law at the date of its Fifteenth Session
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Re: How to de-rigester children

Postby sosii » Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:24 pm

Thank you very much Hope

I would be able to request an original of this document I assume.

Once I've ripped all this to bits and drafted my notices I hope, (no pun intended hope), that someone here will by up for a little light reading.

One last thing before I settle down for a sleepless night, I goes without saying each child's must be handled separately.

I assume also that any child over 8 may in fact do this too, I'll have to look at that too.

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Re: How to de-rigester children

Postby the_common_law_reverend_kenny » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:23 pm

Maybe this helps here's an example:

Family Trust (in common law) deed.(template) would need: names, witnesses, and some kind of initial stake transferred to it to be 'live' - it is not only concerned with equitable value but also cultural family value, also needs to be properly comprehended with wisdom...

the general provisions are (i.e the actual real and tangible effect the trust shall have on the families)


A. Preservation and support of the diversity of family heritage, cultural identity, Inalienable freedoms and evident joy for life.

B. Excellence in education and support of local community.

C. Freedom from commercial pressure.

D. Freedom from Interference from commercial entities and third party agencies.

E. Uphold the lawful wishes of the family members.

F. The family moral, ethical and cultural belief system is nurtured, protected and upheld through the day to day actions of the trustee(s).

G. The trust bestows what is set out herein continuously and for ever more without end so long as the family continues to be subject to the natural law of growth.


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Re: How to de-rigester children

Postby sosii » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:46 pm

Thanks for that the_common_law_reverend_kenny, I'll add it to the list, this is great the subject just snowballed.

Had a quick scan of that template, is written as from a freeman, I'm not there yet, not even served those affidavits yet would that make a difference. hmm...


Another good man off forum, just prompted me about annuity in regards to the trusts.

In reponse to what I knew, I answered, I hope not in too much ignorance:

Not much, other than it's relevant to my fight over reclaiming the kids titles in that it has to do I think with the quarterly dividends from their security. phew what a mouthful that would have been to say aloud.

That post from hope is giving me enough of a headache just now, but I will have to tackle that too, my understanding is though that the trust is to the benefit of the society and as such cannot be used toward personal profit. So you would have to claim/prove an adaquate living cost (not sure), once the trust is accepted (again still reading) the trustee gets to decide where they can assign the societies funding.

This however would bugger up society, so if enough was done to make my idea go viral. Imagine the transparancy of government. They'd be petrified to fiddle the books. You could actually be better off putting the powers over this in the counsellors hand as an overseeing body.

Sound good? Government ruled by the peoples representatives, a quarterly dividend like dubai. Full share OWNERS as opposed to HOLDERS, or have I reversed it?

;)


Am I right in that the tust / security benefits involved cannot be for personal gain / enrichment, it must be invested back into the community?
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Re: How to de-rigester children

Postby the_common_law_reverend_kenny » Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:13 pm

Am I right in that the tust / security benefits involved cannot be for personal gain / enrichment, it must be invested back into the community?


It depends... is the best way to answer that, by that I mean that trust law is big, for instance you can be grantor and beneficiary.

Also worth note that the the trust deed ( if its written well) spells out what obligations there are.

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Re: How to de-rigester children

Postby Hope » Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:10 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gXrR2sY1ek

Forced Adoption And Cash Bonuses Scandal Nazi UK Social Services Abusive UK Care System
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