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Re: Police to protest over cuts.

Postby treeman » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:24 pm

Sorry to oserve this but it would appear that the first cut has been you Hoops, wings clipped. :thinks: :no:
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Re: Police to protest over cuts.

Postby Hoops » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:25 pm

hi, wasn't trying to make a point - had had my say, and didn't want to get into the difference with the student march (you won't see fire extinguishers being dropped on people's heads on 10th May!) or to provoke a long discussion on this line, so just withdrew my contribution.

I enjoyed the discussion in fact, and have some strong areas of agreement, particularly with HV in this instance. I just have no more to add, and didn't want to start defending a point to an ever growing list of debaters, so politely withdrew having discussed the issues with a few. :sun: :peace:
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Re: Police to protest over cuts.

Postby enegiss » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:16 pm

hi, wasn't trying to make a point


anyway hoops dont forget your sarnies and your anon mask, theres cameras every where, and its very expensive darn sarf, you take care bruv :grin:
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Re: Police to protest over cuts.

Postby Freeman Stephen » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:27 am

No fire extinguishers ...
...but then you wont see the police kettling their own either will you?

What would people who resort to violence routinely resort to if they were kettled?

Take off the magic uniforms, and its just one group of humans beating up another group of humans.
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Re: Police to protest over cuts.

Postby pedawson » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:34 pm

I don't want this to be a Hoops thing so guys please don't jump on this, lets be fair as we always are.
Hoops now that the cuts are coming thick and fast, you may be in the firing line. You may, or may not, be becoming concerned for you employment.
This is what we that lowly have had to contend and we, or quite a few, have decided that we should use our constitutional right to display our right to speak out about it.
However because we have done this, and some, maybe quite a lot, have gone over the top but not purposely, never the less we have or are attempting to make a point. Because of this the PTB (government) have legislated against our rights. You may have agreed with those laws and HAVE definitely, not you personally, enforced those laws. You will find yourself, now, restricted in what your sector can do to voice your disagreement. Now it isn't our fault that these laws have been draconian and it isn't us that have spoiled it for you. It is the government that wish to enforce these laws regardless.
Are you going to do the very same that we have done, remember there are going to be those among you who will take things to the limit and it will be spotlighted by the media, that small group will be the ones that will be the measure of the whole.
Are you going to protest these cuts?
If you are who do you feel will be the ones that is going to kettle the unruly ones and WHAT will be the message you, by that I mean the police, will be wanting to put forward.
I am not going to JUMP on your response and I ask that others do the same, so that Hoops can, as always, be honest in his response.
You find yourself in a similar position as us now, although from your writings of the past it seemed as thought you never really thought this would be that case.

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Re: Police to protest over cuts.

Postby Hoops » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:32 pm

I will be protesting, although it is not strictly about cuts - it is about what I believe are steps towards quasi-privatised policing and the destruction of the office of constable.

I am going to go ahead and say noone will need to be kettled because noone will be unruly. I am saying that there will be NO disorder - we will have to talk again after the 10th and see if my faith is misplaced or not. :peace:
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Re: Police to protest over cuts.

Postby enegiss » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:09 pm

lets hope it isnt used as an experiment to see how the super cops behave against their inferior forces, and they (ptb) dont slip some agent provocateurs amongst you to cause trouble, its happened before at protests, ( :psst: so i have been informed. ) but you do hear of it Hoops ,
on a serious note though, i wouldnt like to see it happen.
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Re: Police to protest over cuts.

Postby Hoops » Fri May 11, 2012 6:05 pm

From a police blog:

“No fires set, no windows smashed, no obscenities daubed, no cars overturned, no buildings stormed, no destruction of property, no insults to dead countrymen and women who sacrificed their lives in past conflicts, no escorting Police (or even fellow protestors) injured, no objects thrown, no kettling, no negative headlines in the world’s press, no huge mess of discarded detritus, shit, piss, posters, wooden poles, vomit and smashed glass after everyone went home”

Students, occupy movement and Dale Farmers take note: this is how the grown-up’s do things."


I know many will desperately want to be negative, or offer a reason why it's irrelevant. But it isn't. It's very relevant. And it can't be argued with in any credible way. I am glad to report my faith in peaceful protest was not misplaced. No kettling required.

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Re: Police to protest over cuts.

Postby enegiss » Fri May 11, 2012 6:25 pm

cmon Hoops, it is hardly a peaceful event when "police go onto the streets" is it, what you mean is that you were controlled to the degree that suited your purpose :grin: i am sure that if there were private police protesting, there would have been more trouble from its competitors in the ways of the agent provocatuer, i mean, who is really gonna stop you protesting, if any one would have turned up with those kind of elements needed to disrupt you, then your other members would give them short shrift for sure. :grin:
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Re: Police to protest over cuts.

Postby pedawson » Fri May 11, 2012 6:28 pm

AND
NO Agent Provocateurs


It is a right we all have, to protest, but to make such comments as you have is rather childish. Not you personally, but to believe in the face of legitimate reports that state categorically that ALL protests (excluding Police) are violent.
Your protest did not have a FORCE that saw you as a mass of unwashed and unruly bunch of scrotes.

We on the other hand have to face the police that, from the off regard us as scum.
It is hardly fair to compare the protest you have just been on, or at last the police, and protests we organise and by the way your protest was NOT the only protest that was none violent or disruptive there are hundreds of others equally of good note and standing.

It is a well known fact and is being exposed more and more that the police and or secret services infiltrate organisations to cause problems, within the organisation and or in protests. If the truth be known more than half of the protests that turn violent is down to agent provocateurs.
Deny it if you wish but repeating a lie will never make it a truth.

I apologise if this hurts but the truth has a habit of doing that and thus the reason for TPTB attempting to demonise the freeman or lawful rebellion Et al movement.

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