Trust challenge

The nature, history and formation of Trusts.

Re: Trust challenge

Postby montana » Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:17 am

Hi!

My first post, but ive been lurking this FOTL site while its been down:-) Im also only 6 months into FMOTL concepts and much less into trusts ..however this is my uninformed opinion:

You do not need to publicly register a trust.It's a private matter, you use it when THEY force you to.

You can not be domicile in the country to essentially walk into a court and dismiss the case.

The Certificate of Birth or Live Birth Certificate is the Public Record of the Estate and that it is Probated
You do not own the estate. It’s the grantor’s estate. It’s not your office. The Grantor has liability. You do not want to own it, because ownership creates liability. You can however control the estate and its assets.

The estate is subject to trust law and is affected by probate law. Probate law is the highest form of law.

The Executor Office is or appears to be as high or higher than the term of Sovereign, i.e. ruler, Pope, King, or any other illusion of Man’s superiority, as some understand it.

In essence, an estate or trust (contract) is private law between the parties thereto. No one, not even the courts, have the authority to look into the business of the estate. The executor never turns over any estate records.

In Great Britain, just as in the United States, the registrar is the court. The probate court is the paperwork at the registrar’s office. The birth certificate with the registrar’s seal shows that the estate is either in probate or has already been probated. David Clarence thinks it has already been probated. The birth certificate is the certification of a death and the creation of an estate. Since the seal and signature is on the certificate of birth, that is certified proof that the estate has been probated. It must be an estate, because a trust cannot precede an estate.

In the absence of someone (either your father or yourself) occupying the Executor Office of the Estate, the court will step in and administrate the estate (act like trustee), as if it was abandoned. See definition of executor de son tort.

BUT this is what gets me and possibly is the reason why these other FOTL may not be working:

Only the Executor can copyright the ALL CAPS Estate name, so if you attempted to do so before you occupied the Executor Office of the Estate, you were not successful!


This all from David Clarence, opinions, discussions appreciated.
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Re: Trust challenge

Postby montana » Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:28 am

So my question is really how do you replicate this in the UK, the documentation is INCREDIBLY specific.

It seems you have to:

Copyright name
Set-up the trust as the Executor
Remove your number and post box form your house.
Set up a postal address as the General Post Office and then collect your mail - how to do this in the UK?
When your in the shit, send something like this to the highest authority (beneath you) in the pertinent office:

NAME, Estate.
Executor Office.
Nation Your State.
General-Post Office.
Main Street - 100.
Anytown.
United States Minor, Outlying Islands.
Near. [00000-9998]

night - of twenty-two October two-zero one-zero
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Office of [Chief Financial Officer]
Attention: [name of occupant of office]
[Corporation Name]
10 Public Square
Anytown, State
U.S.A. [XXXXX]

To: The Office of [see examples above].

From: Executor Office - NAME, Estate.

Regarding: Unauthorized administration of NAME, Estate;
[Financial Account No - “leave” these brackets!]

Enclosed you will find “abandoned” paperwork which appears to erroneously “allege” that [place
the Name, Title of the author who signed the paperwork being returned, such as – Friendly Foreclosure Specialist, etc. HERE and “remove” these brackets] who by [his/her/their - “remove” these brackets] unwarranted acts, fraudulently claim authority from this Executor Office to administrate for NAME, Estate. That false claim is hereby Adjourned.

You will forthwith return and transmit the specific written delegation of authority to “represent” that authorization to administrate [act as trustee] the NAME Estate has been warranted, together with a certified copy of your oath for the Office of [Chief Financial Officer], [name of person occupying office mailed to above –remove these brackets] accompanied by a detailed list of all bonds, sureties, indemnification, and insurance, and full accounting relating in any way to your or any related actor’s personal or professional involvement, as referenced above, through the unwarranted presentation of the arrogated paperwork intrusion upon the NAME Estate .

govern yourself accordingly.
Certified Document:
By: executor ___________________________
copy to: Office of Governor Executor Office.
STATE OF [CORPORATE BIRTH STATE] NAME, Estate.
[Governor’s Name], Governor Nation Your State.
General-Post Office.
copy to: Office of Attorney General Main Street - 100.
STATE OF [CORPORATE BIRTH STATE] Anywhere.
[Attorney General’s Name], Attorney General United States Minor, Outlying Islands.
Near. [00000-9998]
STATE OF XXXXXXXXXX )
) JURAT
COUNTY OF XXXXXXX )
Subscribed and sworn to before me, a Notary Public, this ___ day of _________ 2010, upon satisfactory evidence to the identity of the affiant subscribed and sworn above.
______________________________________ (Seal)
NOTARY PUBLIC
My Commission expires:


So the question remains, how to do this in the uk?
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Re: Trust challenge

Postby consumerpada » Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:58 am

Hello thank you for you posts, "how to do this in the uk?'

........can you be clearer about what you are actually hoping to achieve with all this.

i.e what results are you looking for are a consequence of these proceeding /documents.
i.e the thing you are wanting to do in the uk, does it truly 'work' in the us?

Many thanks.
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Re: Trust challenge

Postby montana » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:21 pm

BaldBeardyDude wrote:
the_common_law_reverend_kenny wrote:Maybe its under our nose, we should examine this case more closely.


I agree - it is here

Interesting to read the judges comments - Judge Ian Alexander QC said Raffell had effectively already been fined and punished for his crime and the unusual circumstances had made sentencing difficult.

BBD



Unlikley, i think your trying to make the facts fit your perception. In this case the parents entered a private contract with the pedo. There was no criminal case because there was no criminal report. The matter was resolved privately without involving the policymen. Once the "authorities" were aware of the case they acted accordingly. Seemingly judges and stuff dont mind pedofillia to much (maybe they even like it). When the case hit criminal jurisdiction (i,e the victim brought it to their attention) they are then forced to act. The pedo had suffered: lost his job and forced to move away therefore the sentence was maybe more lenient than otherwise.

E.G: You get beat up. You say to the person who assaulted you: "give me £18K and i wont prosecute". He says "ok". No criminal report. No investigation. No case.

Don't think it has anything to do with trusts. IMHO.
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Re: Trust challenge

Postby montana » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:31 pm

consumerpada wrote:Hello thank you for you posts, "how to do this in the uk?'

........can you be clearer about what you are actually hoping to achieve with all this.

i.e what results are you looking for are a consequence of these proceeding /documents.
i.e the thing you are wanting to do in the uk, does it truly 'work' in the us?

Many thanks.


Well from what i can gather you become a sovereign state within the USA, so for uK im guessing your using the state immunity act 1978.
Q1. How to setup a separate state within the uk, with immunity.

You tie your persona and all current and future assets into a trust and become the executor.
Q2. In the UK how to move all your assetts, including yourself into a private trust.

You cant have post sent to a commercial address.
Q3. How to move your postal address to the "general postmaster" and remove your postocde?

As ever, document formatting is essential.
Q4. How do you recreate the terminology, esoteric layout and meaning of the document above in the UK?

Results:
1.Immunity from all statutes.
2.Return myself to King of my own land.
3.Create the catch 22, where any legal actions is stumped because:
a) sovereign independent state
b) private trust
4. life peacefully without threat, harassment or supporting genocide.
5. ability if necessary to take the bond of interlopers and disbar them from inflicting their crimes on other humans (worst case scenario).
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Re: Trust challenge

Postby montana » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:38 pm

Does it "work"?

Well as we all know everything is pretty esoteric in this field, but from what i can gather yes it does "work".
BUT

So do commercial liens and the systems advocated by Veronica and FMOTL.

Everything "works" providing everything surrounding it is set-up correctly.

"true wisdom is knowledge, and i know no nothing".
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Re: Trust challenge

Postby consumerpada » Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:42 pm

Well from what i can gather you become a sovereign state within the USA, so for uK im guessing your using the state immunity act 1978.
Q1. How to setup a separate state within the uk, with immunity.


Have you looked at the two independant states mentioned on fmotl's forum,

You tie your persona and all current and future assets into a trust and become the executor.
Q2. In the UK how to move all your assetts, including yourself into a private trust.


This is best done slowly I personally started by registering motor vehicles with DVLA in the trust's name, therfore obtaining proof of trust if needed later. If you move assets haphazardly you may make your self liable to unwanted attention, take the long view.

You cant have post sent to a commercial address.
Q3. How to move your postal address to the "general postmaster" and remove your postocde?


can use a 'care of' address...

As ever, document formatting is essential.
Q4. How do you recreate the terminology, esoteric layout and meaning of the document above in the UK?


Best terminology is the one you yourself can stand under, dont get overly drawn into to thirdparty language, by all means study their ways, but don't 'recreate their web of deceit'

ps...great results to aim for.....see you there...
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Re: Trust challenge

Postby montana » Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:03 pm

[quote="consumerpada"]



Have you looked at the two independant states mentioned on fmotl's forum,

can use a 'care of' address..


Many thanks for your reply and taking up your time to help a number of ones and zeros dent through a fibre optic cable :-)

I looked for the two independent states, but any external links were down and i wasn't sure i was looking in the right place .. any hints?

Im going to talk with the PO today however, i not sure i want to be care of. I "think" i want the mail to be sent to the equivalent of the post office general and then use a public id code (read: postcode) that is outside of the private/corporate sector .... im not sure i've explained that right or what/if there is a UK equivalent? Does using the PO in a care of capacity remove my postcode and put my mail firmly in the public/common law jurisdiction?

Any opinion (for entertainment reasons) is greatly appreciated.
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Re: Trust challenge

Postby montana » Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:05 pm

In other words i no longer want my postcode to exist.
I want my "persons" residence to be in the non-corporate sector.

Im pretty sure the teller at the PO isnt going to be able to help me .. but i'll try!
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Re: Trust challenge

Postby sosii » Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:07 pm

montana wrote:
consumerpada wrote:Hello thank you for you posts, "how to do this in the uk?'

........can you be clearer about what you are actually hoping to achieve with all this.

i.e what results are you looking for are a consequence of these proceeding /documents.
i.e the thing you are wanting to do in the uk, does it truly 'work' in the us?

Many thanks.


Well from what i can gather you become a sovereign state within the USA, so for uK im guessing your using the state immunity act 1978.
Q1. How to setup a separate state within the uk, with immunity.

You tie your persona and all current and future assets into a trust and become the executor.
Q2. In the UK how to move all your assetts, including yourself into a private trust.

You cant have post sent to a commercial address.
Q3. How to move your postal address to the "general postmaster" and remove your postocde?

As ever, document formatting is essential.
Q4. How do you recreate the terminology, esoteric layout and meaning of the document above in the UK?

Results:
1.Immunity from all statutes.
2.Return myself to King of my own land.
3.Create the catch 22, where any legal actions is stumped because:
a) sovereign independent state
b) private trust
4. life peacefully without threat, harassment or supporting genocide.
5. ability if necessary to take the bond of interlopers and disbar them from inflicting their crimes on other humans (worst case scenario).


Take care here Montana, you are talking about placing assets in trusts here and in doing so you are mixing magics, I've been watching David Clarence for a while now and caution is needed. What you are discussing puts you in the shit, and here's why, Clarence will tell you the same:

1) you are born naked of all but an Estate granted by your Creator, naming you as beneficiary during your life;
2) the state has allegedly created a public trust in the form of the NAME, it requires your joinder however to bring you AND the Estate into the public;
3) you never 'hold' assets, you have use of stuff, period;
4) you talk of recognizing statutes... the less said on that the better;
5) the Estate holds everything, the State wants you to believe it should bear the liabilities of their public NAME trust, with you as trustee.

You own nothing, all this talk of placing property (res) in trusts, puts you in dishonour and they will crucify you for it as you are not a member of the club.

And this is part of what caused all the grief on this forum so many months ago. If you want to use this, please don't be offended, you can't; you are not capable. Can the document be altered to suit here in the UK, yes, I believe I have identified almost all of the public offices (and their holders), but that's a pretty shaky limb to climb out on right now. I admit to not having properly addressed the postal part yet though. But in all likelihood, I'll not use it.

http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23495&p=172708#p173033 - here I already answered some of it.

me on TPUC wrote:A sovereign presents him or herself, to do otherwise is lower their status to a legal entity. You are a man or woman under God, you are not anything other than that or you set aside your sovereignty under God. A sovereign can only be so if he is able to defend himself intellectually from other sovereigns, physically, not so much (I class that as 'shit happens'). We exist, where we live, in the private but the State only exists as a concept or reality in the public, for it to effect control over us it must draw us into the public too.

That trust is not the Estate, and you never own either of them. So it all is a load of bollocks to disguise a very simple truth, you are born with nothing but an Estate granted by God (or whatever you prefer to think of as such), you die with nothing. You have use of 'stuff' in the short time you are here, period. So to bypass this simple relationship, the State MUST insert itself between you and your Creator, and that can ONLY be accomplished by lowering your Status, you standing in Law to a position below itself.


Simply being being sovereign is your answer, but you have to live it, paper is just paper. Your will is everything.
I declare that I, being a sovereign free man on the land, am a living soul and that I am the only power and authority within my life.
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